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Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level
International Business Times ^ | 09/17/2014 | Tanya Diente

Posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24

Pope Francis, with his open-mindedness and more humanist approach to Catholicism reportedly promoted that the Virgin Mary should be at the second Holy Trinity, even putting her at Godhead level.

Pope Francis recently attended the morning mass for the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows on Sept. 15 at Casa Santa Marta. He preached on how the Virgin Mary "learned, obeyed and suffered at the foot of the cross," according to the Vatican Radio.

"Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son's journey, learned, suffered and obeyed. And thus she becomes Mother," Pope Francis said.

The Pope further added that Mary is the "anointed Mother." Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.

"Without the Church, we cannot go forward," the Pope added during his sermon.

Now The End Begins claims Pope Francis' reflection on the Virgin Mary suggests people's hope is not Jesus Christ but the Mother Church.

The site claims his sermon somehow indicates a change in the position Jesus holds in the Holy Trinity.  Jesus has reportedly been demoted to the third trinity. While the Virgin Mary and the Holy Mother Church, the Roman Catholic Church, takes over his place at the second trinity. 

Additionally, basing on Pope Francis words he may have supposedly even put the status of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the "Godhead level."

Revelation 17:4-6 according to the site, gives meaning to the Pope's reflection. The chapter tells the story of the apostle John and his "great admiration" for the Virgin Mary. Now The End Begins claims the verses also speaks about the Holy Mother Church and how God thinks of the "holy Roman Mother Church".

However, the Bible seems to contradict Pope Francis promotion of the Virgin Mary to second trinity. The site quoted some passages wherein the "blessed hope" of the Christians is "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." There was reportedly never any mention of the Virgin Mary as being any kind of hope to anyone or anything.

But during the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows, Pope Francis ended his reflection with the assurance of hope from the Virgin Mary and the Mother Church.

"Today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us," he said.

However, the Bible's passages shouldn't be taken literally, especially when it comes to reflections of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: evangelical; jesus; orthodox; protestant
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1 posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24
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More hot air from The One True (Bogus) Church.


2 posted on 09/17/2014 9:09:20 AM PDT by BipolarBob (You can't fix stupid but you can vote them out.)
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And you believe the International Business Times? LOL!


3 posted on 09/17/2014 9:09:55 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I read it online. It must be true!


4 posted on 09/17/2014 9:10:53 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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Uh, No, Pope.


6 posted on 09/17/2014 9:11:35 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: thetallguy24

Yaaawwnnnuh...


7 posted on 09/17/2014 9:12:32 AM PDT by GonzoII ("If the new crime be, to believe in God, let us all be criminals" -Sheen)
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http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/09/15/pope_at_santa_marta_learning_from_our_lady_of_sorrows/1106542


8 posted on 09/17/2014 9:12:33 AM PDT by thetallguy24
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And also you believe that other site? From a street preacher?

* end times author and editor-in-chief Geoffrey Grider. Geoffrey runs a successful web design company, and is a full-time minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. In addition to running NOW THE END BEGINS, he hosts a twice-weekly bible study and prophecy radio show on BlogTalk Radio, and oversees a dynamic street preaching outreach and tract ministry team in Saint Augustine, FL**


10 posted on 09/17/2014 9:13:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The site claims his sermon somehow indicates a change...

Additionally, basing on Pope Francis words he may have supposedly even put the status of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the "Godhead level."

As much as this pope causes dismay among orthodox Catholics, this article is so full of it that no one, even the most ardent anti-Catholic bigot, can possibly take it seriously.

11 posted on 09/17/2014 9:13:54 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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You know how hard it is to get any series media coverage these days?

Doctrine doesn’t sell as well as the Kardashians and self-promoting talking bobbleheads.

It’s a tough market.


12 posted on 09/17/2014 9:14:47 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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Wow, what a stretch. But of course Catholics know what he is saying. He did not say what they said he said.


13 posted on 09/17/2014 9:16:36 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives.

Well that is not only completely false, it is profoundly blasphemous.

14 posted on 09/17/2014 9:18:38 AM PDT by Obadiah (None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: thetallguy24; metmom

Do you think they would be so obvious about it?


15 posted on 09/17/2014 9:21:08 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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Supposedly ! Why do people keep shooting at the Pope ? Has he done anything to you ?


16 posted on 09/17/2014 9:21:24 AM PDT by reefdiver (The fool says there is no God. And the bigger fools sees direct evidence and rages against it.)
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Yep.


17 posted on 09/17/2014 9:22:22 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.

What Heresy !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
18 posted on 09/17/2014 9:23:32 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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“International Business Times” is extrapolating from a purposefully ignorant anti-Catholic blog itself extrapolating from Pope Francis’ comments?

Nothing Pope Francis said on this matter is any different from anything from anything every other pope has said dating back to long before Nicea.

Nowhere did he mention a second trinity, no where did he mention a godhead level. If Pope Francis’ words were truly scandalous, why did IBT have to use words Pope Francis never used?


19 posted on 09/17/2014 9:24:26 AM PDT by dangus
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I have nothing against religion or living according to the Bible, but religious gobble-de-gook makes me itch all over.

Mother at the godhead level? what does that mean? Without Mary we cannot got “forward’ - forward to what?

He is getting to be more like hopey-changie-dork all the time


20 posted on 09/17/2014 9:26:06 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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