Posted on 07/19/2013 5:39:12 AM PDT by fatima
http://www.spiritdaily.com/lorig.htm
For Father Lorig, going strong at 77 and full of the Spirit, it's a matter of seeing some of it with his own eyes.
On about a dozen occasions, says the priest, he has personally encountered spirits of the dead, including at bedside during the night, and has been led to pray their souls toward Jesus.
Father Lorig, who was ordained a Catholic priest in 1984, and who is married with four children (and fifteen grandchildren), had some special experiences while at Saint Andrew's Episcopal Church in Nogales (near the Mexican border).
"It was built over an Indian graveyard -- paleo-Indians who were peaceful," says Father Lorig, pastor of Saint Maria Goretti parish (he is not associated with previous claims at this church of the supernatural).
"While we were digging a sacrarium -- a dry well [for proper disposal of Communion wine] -- the workmen came upon hand-made pots. We called the University of Arizona, which had paleontologists, and they came down.
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Does the Vatican know about this?
Oddly I had a friend last night request that I protect myself, pray for Jesus to come, and tell the 'spirit' to go to the light of Jesus. There are no mistakes in this world. She told me they are lower vibrations attracted to my higher and it is my role to guide them to Jesus. This was the first time someone had told me this and then I come across this article today. Looks like God is talking with me. :)
Thanks for the post.
“From what I read in the article, Father Lorig prayed for these poor souls. Nothing unChristian about that.”
Of course there is, because these weren’t “poor souls”. Any Christian should know there is no such thing as ghosts wandering about the earth, from purgatory or anywhere else. So, he is either lying, delusional, or under attack by demons, and praying for people in purgatory is not a properly Christian response to any of those situations.
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Correct, Christ died for everyone, people need to accept him. The man made dogmas and rules and traditions that are not of the bible need to be abolished. We need to be in his word and follow his word.
from the “Boogieman.” Ironic.
Firstly, there are no souls of the dead present. Even in his own Catholic theology, the dead are not wandering around willy nilly, and being a priest, he aught to know that.
Secondly, he is doing more than praying to them. First, he is “detecting” their presence, by his feelings, which means he seeking out contact with them. Otherwise, he would be dismissing those subjective feelings or praying to God to remove them from him, not indulging in them.
Third, besides simply seeking out these spirits, he attempts to communicate with them, as demonstrated by this:
“The priest has found an effective formula is to have a Mass said for any soul that seems to be disturbing a place and gently telling the soul, “Call to Jesus. Keep saying ‘Jesus’ over and over, until He comes.””
See that? He is “telling the soul” something, so he is communing with them.
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She said, “No. The people in Heaven don’t want ot come back, and the people in Hell can’t come back”.
Sounds like a wise woman! Even if you believe in purgatory, they are stuck there too, according to Catholic dogma. Which is why this really shouldn’t be a Catholic vs. Protestant issue, because this man is clearly in violation of Catholic teaching in and of itself.
“We don’t try to communicate with them. Maybe that is where your misconception is coming from. We just pray for them.”
You say “we”, but the topic of this thread is a specific person, and he does communicate with them. So, are you defending his un-Catholic practices that your own church clearly forbids, just to spite protestants who rightfully condemn his practices? Or will you admit that what he is doing is not approved of by any Christian church?
Sorry, but your friend is not giving you good advice. God doesn’t advise any of us to guide the departed to Him, that is not our job. Your original course of action, praying to Jesus to protect you from these spirits (who are NOT the dead, since the dead cannot roam the earth), was the correct one.
“This isn’t communicating with demons. These people (live souls as you say) are on their way to heaven.”
Oh, really? Where in your catechism does it teach that those who have passed away get to hang around on earth trying to communicate with us?
We’re going to have to disagree on this one.
Remeber how shocked the Witch of Endor was when the TRUE spirit appeared instead of the demon that she was expecting.
Well, I might be wrong in my interpretation of theology and proper doctrine. I don’t think so, or I would change my mind. Still, communicating with the dead is something I would avoid at any cost.
Here is the fallacy in your thinking! We can't get anyone to Heaven! Jesus does.
The souls in Purgatory cannot pray for themselves. They depend on you. Maybe you have had a mother or father die. We ask Jesus to take them to heaven with him. What’s wrong with that?
We don’t communicate with the dead. We pray Jesus for them to be taken into heaven. What’s wrong with that?
Have you had a grandmother or grandfather die?
Have you ever prayed for them?
They’re not dead. They’re alive in Christ in Heaven.
You are correct. Souls in a state of purging are already judged and are destined for heaven. They are suffering their purgation, but are joyful because they know they will go to heaven. Nothing unclean will enter heaven. They are being purged of the last stains of sin.
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