Surprise: The Bible is scientifically ahead of secular scientists!

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[OneVike]

Few people might be aware of this: There are passages in the Bible that coincide with scientific principles that weren't discovered by scientists until hundreds of years after the Bible had been written. Here are some examples:

[mrjesse]

Which frame of reference do you want me to use? Be specific so that we can be clear. You seem to like to switch around.

I find your response ridiculous. We're talking about the difference in angle of Pluto's actual+gravitational position and its optical apparent position, as viewed from earth, at a given instant.

Does that answer your need for a frame of reference?

So then what is the gravitational and optical displacement for Jupiter as described in this and my prior post on the topic?

Thanks,

-Jesse

[mrjesse]

I can’t believe you are doubting that the human genome has been mapped or that the chimpanzee’s has been mapped too. I may not be likeable, but I never lie about this.

First, I'm not saying that human and chip DNA hasn't been mapped. Second, I'm glad to hear that you would never lie about this. I hope you don't lie about other things either.

Scientists Have Mapped the Human Genome http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0102/11/sm.06.html

By the way, I would love to play with the data myself. Do you know where I can download a full DNA sequence for humans and chimps? (I don't mean like 20 BP series or whatever but the whole big thing in a dataformat. I write computer programs so I could have some fun.)

Entire article from Nature.http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04072.html;jsessionid=3E37583566B3F39DA0ECFE581A3387E0

Thanks a million! I sure appreciate it!

-Jesse

[Soliton]

I hope you don't lie about other things either

Our society would collapse if we never lied

[Soliton]

I like you

[Soliton]

By the way, I would love to play with the data myself. Do you know where I can download a full DNA sequence for humans and chimps? (I don't mean like 20 BP series or whatever but the whole big thing in a dataformat. I write computer programs so I could have some fun.)

Just request it from the sources I cited. Scientists love sharing.

[Non-Sequitur]

ping

[LeGrande]

I find your response ridiculous. We're talking about the difference in angle of Pluto's actual+gravitational position and its optical apparent position, as viewed from earth, at a given instant.

Does that answer your need for a frame of reference?

No. Which instant are you talking about? When the reflected light leaves Pluto or when the reflected light is seen by your observer on earth. Is your observer (observatory) compensating for all the motions of the earth and pluto or not?

Answer the above questions, but let me ask the question a little differently. Lets say that your observatory is pointing straight up, perpendicular to the surface of the earth, directly at the actual position of Pluto, and lets pretend that Pluto is a flash bulb that flashes at that instant. Will the observer in the observatory see the flash of light at that instant? Knowing that the earth is rotating, and that it is going to take awhile for the flash of light to hit the telescope, how many degrees is the observer going to have to rotate the telescope to see that flash of light?

[mrjesse]

Our society would collapse if we never lied

Uhh, I'm not too sure about that. Our society is collapsing, in part because people are lying (and cheating, then lying about it). Look around. In any case, I'm pretty sure our society wouldn't collapse just because you and I refrained from telling a lie.

-Jesse

[Soliton]

If your wife asks you if she looks fat, what do you say?

[mrjesse]

Our society would collapse if we never lied

Oh, and PS:

It sounds like you consider it important that lying is sometimes OK which requires that God not exist, since in the Bible God tells us to not lie. Thus I can see that you have a reason besides science to hope that the universe came to be by some other means then God.

Am I wrong?

-Jesse

[Soliton]

It sounds like you consider it important that lying is sometimes OK which requires that God not exist, since in the Bible God tells us to not lie. Thus I can see that you have a reason besides science to hope that the universe came to be by some other means then God. Am I wrong?

Just as material lies harm our society, little lies make it work. Anoither name for little lies is politeness. You can deny it, but it is true, Imagine what would happen if everyone was honest with their boss.

[mrjesse]

Our society would collapse if we never lied

Oh, whoops, sorry, PPS:

The problem with me knowing that you do think it's okay to sometimes lie is that now I have no idea what you will lie about and what you won't lie about. For example, you said you would never lie about DNA sequencing or whatnot. But you might consider it okay to lie about whether you would lie to me about something - so it renders your word almost useless. How do I know whether you're really telling me the truth, or you're only lying and telling me it's the truth?

And of course you can't always tell me when you're lying or then it'll ruin the element of deceit and the lie will then be ineffective, so I cannot even depend on you telling me that you lie when you do.

-Jesse

[Soliton]

So being honest is cause for being disbelieved? I supply sources and information. Never believe anything on faith. Look at the data. Use scienc, but never, never believe anyone who claims they don’t lie. It is the surest sign that they are a liar.

[mrjesse]

Just as material lies harm our society, little lies make it work. Anoither name for little lies is politeness. You can deny it, but it is true, Imagine what would happen if everyone was honest with their boss.

If someone stinks, you can either lie to them and say "You smell fine" or you can tell them the truth and say "You smell but not fine" or you can be polite and say nothing - especially if they didn't ask!

Your idea is bankrupt which says the only alternative to an embarrassing truth is a lie.

But I can see how your mentality is shared by others in the scientific field and I have no doubt that many many scientists agree with you. I also suspect that many little lies (seen as politeness) among peers in the evolutionary scientific field are what make their society work, and have brought us what we have today.

-Jesse

[mrjesse]

So being honest is cause for being disbelieved?

Being honest about being dishonest, you mean?

I supply sources and information.

Yeah, after multiple goadings :-)

Never believe anything on faith.

So I guess you don't believe in the big bang, then that there was nothing and it gave birth to something?

Look at the data. Use scienc, but never, never believe anyone who claims they don’t lie. It is the surest sign that they are a liar.

You are operating on the false presumption that it is not possible for a person to have a highest goal of never lying. If you ask me, a person who says that it is their goal to never lie is much more trustworthy then one that says it is sometimes okay to lie. The first at least can be presumed to be honest until proven guilty, while the other has already proclaimed himself to be guilty!

It's also funny that on one hand you say it is sometimes okay to lie, while on the other hand you decry as a lier anyone who claims to claims to not lie, as if you think lying is bad when they do it!

-Jesse

[Soliton]

You never lie? You are a liar.

[Soliton]

So you aren’t interested in the truth at all? Trust or faith isn’t a path for truth, evidence is.

You aren’t what I thought you were. I’m sorry.

[Oztrich Boy]

That's a nice little phrase you've been posting around. But a link to the full text it references would be really nice. I couldn't find it.

Some people just don't have the search gene

It took me 0.27 seconds to find 7 references

In any case, I would be interested in reading the article you talked about.

Have at it

[mrjesse]

You never lie? You are a liar.

Just to be clear, as A child I did lie so yes, shamefully, I have lied. But I'm ashamed of it and now have as my M.O. to never lie. (That and to never kill anyone.)

You have my word that I won't lie to you or anyone else about anything.

-Jesse

[mrjesse]

So you aren’t interested in the truth at all? Trust or faith isn’t a path for truth, evidence is.

To the contrary, I most certainly am interested in the truth.

You aren’t what I thought you were. I’m sorry.

Cute demonstration - but I knew it was a demonstration when I saw the first "I like you" half! But I appreciate your eventual honesty on the matter anyway.

-Jesse