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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
I started lurking after Dougs ping and people were getting very intense. A lot were in serious debate with you. Finally you said "I'm a Jew" and the whole thread just stopped for several minutes. Complete silence. I could just imagine the "do what's and what did he says" When I read in Rev. about the silence in Heaven I sometimes rember this and chuckle.
This completely glosses over the apparent contradiction.
God cannot be blamed for sin.
Asserted, but not proven.
Scriptures make it clear that there is no evil in God (Psalm 5:4; 92:15). Therefore, if scripture teaches that God is sovereign over evil, and it does, then this objection should not even be raised. For if the Bible doesn't have a problem with God being in control of sin and yet innocent, neither should we.
This comes closest to implying "its a mystery".
How can God be in control of sin and bring it about, but not be guilty of sinning?
If someone came and stabbed you in the stomach out of malice, that would clearly be sin. But if a surgeon cuts your stomach open to remove a tumor, no sin is present. Yet they both have done the same thing, they cut your stomach open with a knife. So what is different? The random attack was done out of malice, but the doctor has good intentions. Now, imagine that the doctor's knife is alive and it is evil and delights in causing you pain. We can see that even though the knife is delighting in cutting you open, the doctor would still not be morally guilty of sin because he is acting for your good.
This doesn't work. It says, in effect, that God makes us sin for our own good. But what about those who are made to sin and die in their sins? To continue the analogy, did they die on the operating table? What good did the physician do them? And how can they be held responsible for their own fatal disembowelment?
I don't profess to teach about "Christ". I discuss scripture and ideas. As far as my beliefs go, I'm an open book. As with any other source, people are free to take what they find useful, and reject the rest.
I'm not interested in proselytizing or converting anyone. I might make an exception in your case, though. You'd look nice perched on my trophy case. ;o)
I want to know everything about everything. NOW! :O)
Yes ... but is that a scripturally reasonable expectation ?
Peace! :o)
LOL, a man after my own heart! ;o)
LOL. But we're more "mystery." So it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
SD
God control sin. God uses sin for His purpose. God agrees to allow sin to happen to others (Job) But God is NOT the author of sin (see Ezekiel 28).
Imagine the ramifications. :-)
Sin is contrary to God's will.
Do you think God was ever tempted or have the capasity to sin?
Or more to the point -
Could God violate the Unversals Laws and still be God?
And I answered you with a question. Did not God ordain a sin that His wrath might be assuaged? Or do you believe that God only hoped that Jesus would shed His blood?
This is the question. Did God ordain that Joseph be sold into slavery ? Did God ordain the lies and deceit of Jacob?
God does not have to actively push men into sin, all He need do is remove His restraining hand and man will choose to act according to his nature.
LOL!
Candidates who claim to be "Catholic" but who publicly ignore Catholic teaching about the sanctity of human life are offering a dishonest public witness. They may try to look Catholic and sound Catholic, but unless they act Catholic in their public service and political choices, they're really a very different kind of creature. And real Catholics should vote accordingly
That makes three I think.
Looks like some of the bishops are going to make a stand this election season.
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