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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward [them that have obtained like precious faith with us – 2 Peter 1:1], not willing that any [saint] should perish, but that all [saints] should come to repentance. – 2 Peter 3:9
Thank you for continuing the discussion. Further contemplation reveals that not only does this verse council patience in the saints, but that it is a grand statement of God’s preservation of the saints. God flatly promises that none of his chosen beloved children will perish; he wills it not. The saints can rest assured that the almighty God will orchestrate all things in heaven and on earth for their salvation.
Of course, once someone is married they are no longer a bachelor.
And of course, once someone is saved they will not perish…Thank the Lord!
But that's a long way to drive to find the diner ain't open.
For the saints, the diner is always and forever open, and they will never be thrown out. God promises.
SD
If you mean "causative" in the sense of imaginative or original, the instructions in Leviticus were given almost 2000 years before. It couldn't have been too original.
I always thought this was just an accident of language. God has no need to repent.
I'm not sure what you mean by an accident of language. Same thing for being "sorry" and "grieved"?
It's hard to imagine something being posted here as being "off-topic."
I'm not sure what you mean by an accident of language. Same thing for being "sorry" and "grieved"?
I think you are agreeing? with me that God has no need to grieve or be sorry or repent.
I mean by "accident of language" that the author of the Scripture advanced the narrative by making it seem as if God had qualities and emotions that we know He does not. It comes out like God is changing His mind, but this is to highlight how the people failed.
SD
Pardon me but I've never read anything so dumb in my life. And that includes some of the things that I've written.
Perhaps you didn't read the verse. And you conveniently left out my immediately following sentence. But in context my remark makes sense and your avoidance of my obvious statement is all the answer I need. Continue on apace.
Yes it's what's being argued here because it is a description of Arianism just like it says it is. The fact that you said "Semi-Pelagianism" might have contributed to Arminianism does nothing but weight the argument. Note the part "may have contributed to Arminianism which says as follows; " and then the description of Arminianism follows. A perfectly good definition of Arminianism, I might say. But notice that it is not the definition of Semi-Pelagianism which I further suspect more than anything is just the way a Calvinist tries to tie Pelagianism to Arminianism.
A smoke and mirrors quote, effective only for those who believe in illusions.
Which is why I said Calvinists want God to be everywhere sovereign except at Creation. And then the huffing and puffing commenced.
Who believes that you have to be a Billy Graham to be equally loved by God? This sort of nonsense is exactly why your preponderous and hyperbolic arguments are regarded with disdain. There seems to be very little ability to discuss a position without creating false dichotomies in the main of your camp.
To be fair my quote to which you responded was in this same vein to some extent.
You accidentally capitalized that.
Again, good preaching, but not sure how it addresses the point. The way you interpret this is how you must to keep your Calvinist grid overlaid upon Scripture and I understand that. Which is part of the problem of having a grid to begin with.
God flatly promises that none of his chosen beloved children will perish; he wills it not.
The twisting continues. You somehow try to apply this verse not only to predestination but to Eternal Security. A valiant effort to be sure, but if someone ceases to be a saint, they will surely perish. In the end, the verse says neither of the things you wish it said.
SD
Isa 43:7 "Everyone who is called by My name, And
You said: "This doesn't even come close to saying man is created for God's glory."
I hope I've clarified it for you. And, yes, it is talking about the "elect".
You can pretend you don't know what I mean by that capitalization. Or know that I do include all the baptised in some form or another.
SD
Apparently Arlen is running radio ads in some markets, though I haven't heard them. The ads state that Toomey, who used to own a bar, used to own a bar where drunks were served. And drugs were sold.
Talk about reaching low.
If all the bars that ever served drunks were closed it'd be even more like Utah around here.
SD
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