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To: Tares
The saints can rest assured that the almighty God will orchestrate all things in heaven and on earth for their salvation.

Again, good preaching, but not sure how it addresses the point. The way you interpret this is how you must to keep your Calvinist grid overlaid upon Scripture and I understand that. Which is part of the problem of having a grid to begin with.

God flatly promises that none of his chosen beloved children will perish; he wills it not.

The twisting continues. You somehow try to apply this verse not only to predestination but to Eternal Security. A valiant effort to be sure, but if someone ceases to be a saint, they will surely perish. In the end, the verse says neither of the things you wish it said.

4,233 posted on 04/14/2004 10:56:49 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: the808bass
…not sure how it addresses the point.

It addresses the point by demonstrating that the tautological nature of the verse does not make it trivial and trite. The tautology emphasizes God’s preservation of the saints, a source of great comfort.

…if someone ceases to be a saint, they will surely perish

True. And if a cat ceases to be a cat, it will no longer be a cat. Cats, however, don’t worry that they’ll be dogs some day. Saints on the other hand, do sometimes worry about their status as saints. But God in this verse councils the saints to be patient, he will preserve them, saints will always be saints, they will not perish. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise.

4,256 posted on 04/14/2004 12:51:06 PM PDT by Tares
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