Alabama SC justices cave, order Ten Commandments removed

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[rwfromkansas]

MONTGOMERY, Ala.

[inquest]

In his own words, he said that those things were not within the proper definition of "religion." Do you agree or disagree?

They are not within the definition of the word "religion" as modified by the word "establishment".

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. If you're trying to suggest that he's out to trample on the rights of non-Judeo-Christians, I'd be interested in seeing how. It would be rather out of character for him, since he'd be violating the word of God, as he understands it, if he were to do so.

[libravoter]

st look at the living conditions of India? would you live there.

No, but I wouldn't live in the slums of poorer South American countries either, and they're overwhelmingly Christian.

[sport]

Can't wait to vote for hillary for President can you?

You don't like Judge Moore because he has two things that you wish you had:

Principles and good character.

[missyme]

Well I have the day off. Last thing I want to say I do beleive any religion that goes agaisnt the Old and New Testament is not so much inferior but FALSE!

I say flase because G-D does not say they are true

[HurkinMcGurkin]

Some piece of stone?

Yes, a piece of stone, that surely looks nothing like the tablets that Moses broke(assuming one belives the Biblical account).

[smith288]

Any post by anyone is an invitation to comment on it. That's why this is a bulletin board.

- I dont have an obligation to address your questions either. So you can now feel empty in the knowledge that my comment is filled with mystery to you.

And I never said or even implied that you did.

- I took it as implied in your comments to me

Never said you did. I said many did, and I'm not one of them.

- Good for you.

[kegler4]

"I am sorry this is a false religion.

Just look at the living conditions of India? would you live there."

And who appointed you the person to decide which religions are legitimate? I imagine Hindus think Christians are misguided in some of their beliefs.

And what exactly do living conditions have to do with the validity of a religion? Look at the living conditions in some of the heavily Catholic South American countries. Would you want to live there? BTW, while you do find horrible grinding poverty in India, you also find fabulous wealth and very modern living conditions.

[inquest]

Okay - is the right given to Hindus and Buddhist by the Judeo-Christian God to practice their faith protected by the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution? Judge Moore's own words indicate that he does not believe it is.

Not judging from the words you posted. He wasn't talking about the free-exercise clause.

[sport]

You never heard of bill and hillary clinton have you?

[commonerX]

Do people have the right to teach their children the Wiccan religion?

[missyme]

The Bible does not say Hindu is a faith from G-D.

I did not say it G-D did.

[BamaG]

and what pray tell do you know of Judge Moore's character? Ever met the man? been in his court? Or are you such a keen judge of a man that you can spot a good'un just by watching Hannity and Colmes? Tell me o wise one? You know Judge Moore is such a good man, what makes him so good?

[sport]

Is the ACLU now going to tell the Gov't it can no longer Pray before the start of Congress, and all references to religion on any Gov't building must be removed post haste?


37 posted on 08/21/2003 8:52 AM PDT by OXENinFLA

Soon as they can do the paperwork.

[missyme]

That is there choice but Wiccan is never going to be addressed in front of a courthouse

[lugsoul]

Let's try to address the real issue - hopefully in a civil debate - and maybe we can get somewhere without eating bandwidth on things that aren't in dispute.

First - I agree that prior to the passage of the 14th, the 1st did not apply to the states.

Second - I don't disagree with the fact that worship services have been held in government facilities, nor do I condemn such action.

Third - As you well know, the question of Incorporation is not an easy or one-sided question. There is much evidence on both sides of the issue. The Court didn't make it up out of thin air. I have posted to you quotes from the debate on the 14th indicating that incorporation was the intent. You have posted information on the Blaine amendment which - if taken a certain way - could indicate that incorporation happen with the 14th. I have posted historical information on the intent behind the Blaine Amendment - which was specifically intended to maintain, not eliminate, informal Protestant establishment in the states.

Fourth - one point of disagreement that lingers, from a factual standpoint, is your contention that the courts rejected incorporation prior to Gitlow. The only case you have cited from 1867 to 1925 is Davis v. Beason. Davis v. Beason DOES NOT say that the 1st Amendment does not apply to the states. I am not aware of any case in that time period that does. If you are, I'd love to see it.

[MineralMan]

"I am a American Citizen , I was born here and my father was a European immigrant."

Hilarious! So you're a first-generation native-born citizen, and you think you have some right to say that immigration is the problem here? How bizarre. So, immigration before your dad came is OK, but after that, let's stop immigrants from coming.

Amazing!

[wardaddy]

Good...that distinguishes you from the Posse.

I have no chip. I would defend Catholics (and have done so) if my Prod bretheren are dumping on them.

BTW...I am not terribly pious frankly. This is all part of an overall cultural struggle for me.

The fact that the ACLU and Dees and that pseudo religious group the AU all are what composites the enemy ranks gives me great pride.

[Happy2BMe]

"yeah, it's very un-american to try to ensure people who live in poor counties have their votes counted accurately."

WRONG!

What the ACLU did to those Black people in California was to accuse them of being (collectively) so IGNORANT they didn't know how to punch the correct chad out of a BALLOT!

[wardaddy]

You watch CNN dear?

[Protagoras]

I dont have an obligation to address your questions either. So you can now feel empty in the knowledge that my comment is filled with mystery to you.

I feel no emptyness. And why people believe theses strange things will always be a mystery to me, it's not a problem. I don't understand Chinese algebra either.

I took it as implied in your comments to me

I'm sorry you made that mistake.