Alabama SC justices cave, order Ten Commandments removed

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[rwfromkansas]

MONTGOMERY, Ala.

[rwfromkansas]

See posts 467 and 490 on this thread.

Apparently, you did not read post 266, the lengthy post with much evidence to support my side. You haven't given anything like that.

467 and 490 are some main points of my paper, but the founding father quotes and pictures of government buildings used as churches are also in there and not posted elsewhere.

[libravoter]

What principles do Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus live by?

I just googled and found a site called Basic Buddhism.

Its summary:

The Buddhist path can be summed up as:

(1) to lead a moral life,

(2) to be mindful and aware of thoughts and actions, and

(3) to develop wisdom and understanding.

[missyme]

No I don't think I have more of a constitutional right than your hindu friend.

I do think my faith does. Absolouetly

[missyme]

Well
Where does there moral life come from?
Moses? I think not

[HurkinMcGurkin]

I note that you are silent about the court cases provided that show the 14th Amendment was not intended to apply the Bill of Rights to the states.

Amendments 2 through 10 always were meant to apply to the States since there is no mention of Congress being prohibited from the actions mentioned in those amendments.

I find it odd that you think States can enact any gun laws they want since the 2nd "Wasn't meant to apply to the States". Oh, wait, its just that the FIRST wasn't meant to apply to the States, right? That opens up an entirely different can of worms considering that States could ban whatever print they wish.

[missyme]

Judge Moore is speaking right now on CNN

[lugsoul]

Your "faith" has constitutional rights that hers does not. Hmmmm. Which constitutional rights does your faith - or any other faith - have? Which other faiths have them, and which do not?

[kkindt]

THE ACLU can be bankrupted of we put our funds together to keep suing their socks off like they do other outfits.

[rwfromkansas]

The 14th does contain a limitation in its own text. But, it it not to the extent that courts today rule it is.

[inquest]

The court ruled on the basis of the settled law regarding the Establishment Clause.

"Settled" does not mean accurate. If it did, you wouldn't be talking about the equal-protection clause, because that's not what the court invoked. They invoked the due-process clause (which of course is even more ridiculous - he deprived someone of "life, liberty, or property without due process of law"?).

Whether or not you think X implies Y is neither here nor there

Correct. What's "here or there" is whether or not X can be objectively demonstrated to imply Y. Specifically, if displaying a religious view while excluding others (X) violates equal protection (or due process or whatever), then how can it be that displaying a secular view while excluding others (Y) does not violate equal protection? I'd appreciate the courtesy of a direct answer - or an answer of "I don't know" if you don't know. Thank you.

[libravoter]

Hinduism:
1) Hindus believe in the divinity of the vedas, the world's most ancient scripture, and venerate the Agamas as equally revealed. These primordial hymns are God's word and the bedrock of Sanatana Dharma, the eternal religion which has neither beginning nor end.

2) Hindus believe in a one, all-pervasive supreme being who is both immanent and transcendent, both Creator and Unmanifest Reality.

3) Hindus believe that the universe undergoes endless cycles of creation, preservation and dissolution.

4) Hindus believe in karma, the law of cause and effect by which each individual creates his own destiny by his thoughts, words and deeds.

5) Hindus believe that the soul reincarnates, evolving through many births until all karmas have been resolved, and moksha, spiritual knowledge and liberation from the cycle of rebirth, is attained. Not a single soul will be eternally deprived of this destiny.

6) Hindus believe that divine beings exist in unseen worlds and that temple worship, rituals, sacraments as well as personal devotionals create a communion with these devas and Gods.

7) Hindus believe that a spiritually awakened master, or satguru, is essential to know the Transcendent Absolute, as are personal discipline, good conduct, purification, pilgrimage, self-inquiry and meditation.

8) Hindus believe that all life is sacred, to be loved and revered, and therefore practice ahimsa, "noninjury."

9) Hindus believe that no particular religion teaches the only way to salvation above all others, but that all genuine religious paths are facets of God's Pure Love and Light, deserving tolerance and understanding.

[ChewedGum]

To me this is not a big deal in that it does not lessen my faith or change my view towards the law being inspired by God's moral law. The big deal side of it is that it just shows the continuation of the war against religion which is sad. It will become required that judges and legislators check their faith at the door soon (see Senate Confirmation Hearings if you doubt that), and that is a bad thing IMHO.

Gum

[missyme]

Only followers of the G-D that created the world the G-D of the heaven and earth and obey his commandments

[kkindt]

Yes - we could have a rolling display of the commandments. Roll it into a park. Leave it there until the ACLU takes the county officials to court but just before they have to appear a different county agrees to put it into their park so it rolls out. Parks. ACLU has to file another law suit in a different county. Ha - keep them busy. DO this in every state in the union. ROlling ten commandment displays - sounds kind of like the commandments were originally on an ark that got moved around quite a bit. God knew what He was doing when He had the commandments in an ark with handles to keep it moving.

[HurkinMcGurkin]

Man, this has gotten way into the realm of absurdity. Someone's "faith" has constitutional rights? I think I'm done.

[HurkinMcGurkin]

So you support States banning guns and determining what people can publish, but not restricting religious establishment. Is that about right?

[libravoter]

Where does there moral life come from? Moses? I think not

Um, are you just joking now? Cuz, nooooo, Buddhism has nothing to do with Moses.

Maybe you should do a little research before you decide all non-Judeo-Christian religions are inferior. I can only spoon feed you what I find online myself.

Enough fun, I need to get back to work.

[missyme]

I am sorry this is a false religion.

Just look at the living conditions of India? would you live there.

[usadave]

..as much as they are concerned about some piece of stone being removed from a courthouse..

Some piece of stone? Do you mean that in the same sense as the U.S. Constitution being some piece of paper?

[commonerX]

"We choose between respecting our God and honoring your feelings. I'm afraid you just come in second. Especially since you show no concern for our rights to religious freedom, religious expression."

"You have the freedom to believe what you wish, you have the freedom to go where you wish, and you have the freedom to ignore what you wish, you have the freedom to pray where you wish. You do not have the freedom to take away from others those same rights."

I don't understand how not allowing religious icons in or on government property is taking away your rights. With the statement that you will choose respecting your god over someone elses feelings is all the more reason for the government not to allow these icons. I will state that I would choose the principles of the constitution over your respect of your god any day.