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"Open Doors and Open Windows. Silence About War With Islam"
ChronWatch ^ | Feb.25, 2003 | Robert Klein Engler

Posted on 02/25/2003 4:45:26 AM PST by conservativecorner

September 11th, 2002, came to the United States without another major catastrophe to lay at the feet of Al-Qaeda. The only near catastrophes were some of the memorials that flooded the country with confused sentiment and sometimes even vulgar displays. One cannot help but look with dismay at the glut of dead birds from a New Jersey ceremony and wonder what people were thinking when they decided to release these birds as a fitting memorial to the dead. The only ceremony I saw that had taste and dignity was in Britain. Flower petals falling from a chapel dome was as dignified as it was memorable. Americans seem doomed now to suffer a type of national repetition-compulsion every time September 11th comes around. Because we suffered a national trauma with the fall of the twin towers and have not yet figured out what it means, we will repeat the trauma again and again until meaning dulls it from our national unconscious.

Now, the debate about going to war with Iraq consumes the attention of the nations leaders and political commentators. The same lack of meaning about the events of September 11th, 2001 hover around this debate like a flock of vultures. The Democrats want to continue the war against the terrorists by going after Al-Qaeda and the Republicans want to invade Iraq with a preemptive strike. Both parties act like squabbling members of a dysfunctional family that have different points of view because they refuse to say what ought to be said. No one wants to admit that father is an irredeemable drunkard, so they argue over how best to pay his bounced checks. Instead of saying the truth we pretend another position and offer a solution to that. Just as the country refuses to say the truth about the events of September 11th, so now the political parties refuse to say the truth about the next step in our foreign policy. What is that truth our country and its politicians refuse to say? It is a very simple truth that most working class Americans already know. The truth is we are at war with Islam.

Once we see that the coming war with Islam is the defining moment of our age, then much that seems to exist in a fog comes into the light of day. The United States of America was attacked on September 11th, 2001 by the advanced forces of an Islamic army that is international in scope, global in its reach and representative of the Islamic world as a whole. We are not fighting a war on terror, but we are fighting, to the chagrin and dismay of Democrats and Republicans alike, a religious war against many nations. No one in high public office wants to admit this because their vested interest make it necessary to be silent. The Democrats do not want to face a religious war because the ideology of the party prevents it from being stated. Liberalism refuses to recognize that it has come up against practical limits. The political enterprise that began with the Enlightenment and the American and French Revolutions, the ideology that is at the core of the Democratic party, cannot imagine that a religious war will be the defining moment of the 21st century. Nor can the Republican party admit that we are at war with Islam. If the Democrats are made mute by their ideology, the Republicans are dumfounded by their economic interests. How can they admit a war with Islam when the fortunes of many in the party are tied to Islamic countries and their oil reserves? To declare war on Islam or to invade Saudi Arabia, would be to end the fortunes of many who fund the Republican party and have their fingers on foreign policy. Neither party speaks the truth for the country as a whole. They both hope their silence can buy a few more years of office and power. No one wants to take the drastic steps that a war with Islam requires. The very meaning of America and the integrity of our nation remains in the balance.

So, we have the two parties attempting to set a foreign policy that will never solve the problem. Unlike Columbus who believed the world to be round, our politicians after September 11th refuse to give up their beliefs in a foreign policy that is flat and meaningless. Our nation will never benefit from the truth not being spoken. The two political parties will protect, however, their constituency by not sailing off the edge of the earth. The Democrats will not abandon their minority interest groups and the Republicans will not abandon their wealthy businessmen, so we are to go into the future with a captain that neither tells us where we are sailing nor speaks the orders the sailors need to set the sails. Some say go after Al-Qaeda, other say invade Iraq. None say the future will be a war with Islam. The house of our country is wide open and all the politicians can do is to say that maybe if we close the window no one will notice they are coming through the door.

Anyone who undergoes military training knows that in war there is a difference between tactics and strategy. Tactics are the small steps we take on a longer, strategic journey. One platoon occupies a hill, another destroys an enemy ammunition dump by using fire and maneuver tactics. All of these small steps are part of a larger strategy that brings about the defeat of a nation’s army over the course of a protracted campaign. Sometimes, those who are involved in small unit tactics are unaware of the army’s larger strategy.

Up until now, both the Republicans and Democrats have been proposing tactics. Neither party has been forthcoming about a larger strategy to deal with the consequences of September 11th and a war with Islam. The Bush Administration's plans to invade Iraq is the closest thing we have to a tactic that is part of a larger, unspoken strategy. It is possible that some in the Bush Administration have concluded that indeed we are at war with Islam, and even though we cannot say that, we can plan a strategy for it. The events of September 11th, 2001 can be seen as an attack equal to the Japanese attack of Pearl Harbor. The only reason we have a “war on terrorists” is because the politicians are reluctant to say the truth about the matter. Attacking Iraq may be the first utterance of a truth that has up until now stuck in our political throat. We already have troops on the ground in Afghanistan and are building up troops and supplies elsewhere in the middle east. Defeating Iraq and disarming Sadam Hussein will send a message to the rest of the Islamic world and will divide that world geographically in half. It will then be possible to pick off one at a time other Islamic governments. Over the long run, this could be a strategy that will defeat Islam without such a defeat being outspoken. Eventually, Saudi Arabia will fall to American power if this strategy is going to succeed.

The defeat or transformation of a world religion is no easy task. Our ultimate strategy may have to be geographical containment and national limitations imposed upon the number of Muslims living in the United States. I suppose this is an unconscious fear many European politicians have as well. In some countries like France, Muslims make up a significant part of the population. Thus, many Europeans prefer to do nothing. Yet doing nothing will not avail because the Muslim world is on the move and they will act out their resentment and dislike of the West no matter what we do. “Why can't we all get along?” will seem a naive question when the first terrorist A-bomb explodes in some western city. We can't get along because under present historical conditions some ways of life are mutually exclusive. This is why there are nations and why mighty nations have well guarded borders.

By defining our national crisis as a war with Islam we go a long way to assessing our foreign and domestic policies. Furthermore, we will have to deal with nagging problems like our porous borders, the crisis in American education and corporations, and the decay of our national culture. Needless to say, these problems will engender a debate about just what it means to be an American. This is something the patriotic working class has been expecting for a long time. Many in the American working class have strong religious values, and have watched with dismay the abuses of Affirmative Action and greedy corporate executives. The working class is patriotic to a fault and is disappointed that the American dream has been stretched thin abroad and abused at home. Their unrecognized sacrifice and patriotism makes one wonder if the “new America,” with its class of wealthy transnationals, Affirmative Action bureaucrats, self-serving politicians, incestuous corporate boards, illegal immigrants and alienated youth can survive the conflict to come. When a country’s values become as porous as its borders, who can stop the storm of true believers from invading. A screen may stop the flies, but not the wind.

Only a foreign and domestic policy that recognizes the coming war with Islam can make a difference in our national security and prosperity. “Yet how can this be?” many politicians ask. Have we not succeed in excluding religion from our debates and have we not created a multicultural world where religion is marginal at best? Must we open again the can or worms that is religious strife? Look what happened in Europe during the hundred years wars. These questions, are all important, but they miss the point. The point is that Islam has a history of conflict with the West for over a thousand years and the actions of Al-Qaeda are nothing more than a continuing unfolding of what has been going on for a long time. Modernism and globalization has done nothing more than lengthen the arm and the reason by which militant Islam can strike out against the West. The United states was sooner or later going to come up against this problem with Islam. Because we have projected our culture around the world, it is little wonder that our way of life has come up against an alternative way of life that cannot be swayed by our materialism. This is why the Democrat’s policy of only going after Al-Qaeda will not work. Al-Qaeda is not one of those rootless ferns that grows on air, but the flower of a plant that has both branch and root in a wide and international Islamic culture. Unless we go to the root of the problem, we will suffer the bloom of numberless blossoms of terror. Today it is Al-Qaeda but tomorrow it will be another group born from the soil of Islam. The very nature of Islam has to change before we are free from this struggle. If that change is culturally impossible, then we have to draw our borders clearly, define our national objectives, and secure an understanding of American citizenship. Seeing even farther ahead, we must be prepared as a nation to confront the growing Confusian-Islamic alliance about which Samuel P. Huntington warns us. If not, then will a new Sennacherib come down like a wolf upon the fold. __________

ROBERT KLEIN ENGLER lives in Chicago. He was a department chairman and labor union leader for many years at R.J. Daley College until he was ethnically cleansed and banned by the Chancellor in 1997. His book, A WINTER OF WORDS, is available from amazon.com.


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To: Bulldogs22
Yeah. I'm a little disappointed with a couple of responses to this thread - if this level of misunderstanding of the problem reaches even into the realm of Freerepublic, I'd hate to see what the guy on the street thinks.

Perhaps if we put it in pop culture terms:

"We are Muslim. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
21 posted on 02/25/2003 6:16:55 AM PST by applemac_g4
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To: Jim Noble
No they're not.

Another strike on the US of A's mainland will be the start of total, unrestricted war.

They know they can't win that.
22 posted on 02/25/2003 6:20:02 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Flurry; conservativecorner; RAY; Jim Noble; Luis Gonzalez; astounded; GirlShortstop; John O; ...
Since it is obvious many just do not comprehend the depth of the anti-Western, anti-culture, oppressive nature of Islam and its relentless campaign to destroy Western Civilization, I am reposting this here:

Until people stop pretending Islam is just another religion, and start calling it what it is, the most repressive, violent, and backward ideology in the world, it will continue to opress its women and prevent all cultural and economic development, wherever it dominates, and threaten the world with vicious pointless violence.

Don't you watch the news? Do you know anything of what is going on in Algeria, Bangladesh, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Malaysia, or the Sudan, for example? One only needs to look at the news for any of these countries to observe the daily atrocities and obscene destruction Muslims regularly engage in.

There are no Muslim contributions to civilization, unless you think murder, rape, no music, no art, no alcohol, no pork, mutilating girls and repressing women are contributions. Muslims have never created anything of value. Everything Muslims have of value was stolen, including so-called contributions to science (which all came from India, mostly from Hindu scholars, before the Muslims slaughtered them), as well as the oil stolen from American companies which got it out of the ground for them.

Islam is the stupidist most repressive retrograde ideology on the planet. It is unkind to pretend it is anything else, and if people really cared about Arabs, and all others (most of whom are not Arabs) who have been deceived by this horrid life-destroying religion, they would be doing everything they could to see it wiped off the earth. To wish anything less for the world, and all those millions enslaved by Islam, is a hatred for humanity.

Some links to learn from:

Of course, the great majority of Muslims are peaceful -- so what?

Behind the Veil: A Muslim Woman Speaks Out

Here is what the article doesn't tell you

Killing Christians: The underreported story of Islamist violence around the world

Rotten to Its Core

Naming the enemy

A World Held Hostage

JIHAD IN AMERICA FR Up-to-date List of links.

Fatwa: Coming to a Country Near You

Preliminary Overview. - Saudi Arabia's Education System

Jews and Christians Are Apes and Pigs, Saudi Textbooks Say

PBS Shame On You: A former Muslim speaks.

The Daughter of an Arab Warrior Against Israel Tells Her Tale

The Wahhabi Fifth Column

The Stupidity of Dialogue With Islam This is Excellent!

Prophet Muhammad and Rape

Why Islam Hates Democracy

Will The Real Islam Please Stand Up?

The Social and Economic Implications of Sharia Law

Islamic World Net - Directory

Music and Singing in the Light of the Quran and Sunnah by Abu Bilal Mustafa Al-Kanadi

Mark Steyn's article, Goodbye Europe, describes what is going on in Europe right now.

Muslim Disinformation Campaign

Twenty-Year Plan for USA: Islam Targets America

The Golden Age of Islam is a Myth Excellent!!

ISLAM AS SEDITION More great links from FR.

=========Best Oriana Fallaci Links:

Rage and Pride
Il Corriere della Sera- September 29, 2001
Translated by Chris Knipp

How the West Was Won and How It Will Be Lost

Unquiet on the Western Front

Oriana Fallaci on Anti-Semitism

Italian author slams Islam's 'hate' for West

Roman Candle Oriana Fallaci sheds heat and light.

Oriana Fallaci Journalist, Interviewer and Author

Hank

23 posted on 02/25/2003 6:40:29 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Flurry
"I If I had my way I'd move Israel and Nuke the entire Middle-East"


I do not understand your conflict. Clarity of this situation is just begining to surface. Wait and watch.
24 posted on 02/25/2003 6:49:37 AM PST by Bulldogs22
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To: Hank Kerchief
"There are no Muslim contributions to civilization, unless you think murder, rape, no music, no art, no alcohol, no pork, mutilating girls and repressing women are contributions. Muslims have never created anything of value. Everything Muslims have of value was stolen, including so-called contributions to science (which all came from India, mostly from Hindu scholars, before the Muslims slaughtered them), as well as the oil stolen from American companies which got it out of the ground for them."

I hate this kind of crap, it's stupid, and it's targeted at stupid people who are willing to believe anything told to them.

Some of us, see right through it for the propaganda that it is.

Interesting to note that the people most interested in starting a world-wide religious war between Christendom and Islam, are Muslim extremist terrorists.

To accomplish this, they spend their time spreading lies and misinformation...sort of like your post.

Click.

25 posted on 02/25/2003 6:52:27 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Hank Kerchief
Hank,
Great job. I have been following the Christian plight in the Sudan for several years. It is nasty. I want to go there and give some payback to the moon-god worshippers. I can't yet, so I sent a donation.

Thanks,
Bulldogs
26 posted on 02/25/2003 6:58:26 AM PST by Bulldogs22
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I hate this ....

Cockroaches hate the light. If you hate it, don't read it.

But, please do not pretend your hate is from a concern for Muslims. If you really knew what that hateful ideology does to people, you would be fight it the same as we fight cancer. What kind of religion imposes the death penalty on any who would choose to leave it?

Hank

27 posted on 02/25/2003 7:01:50 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Flurry
Flurry you are obviously a fool who just doesn't comprehend that Islam must be destroyed at all cost. Go back to the left wing liberal commie rock you crawled out from under and don't come out. There is a Muslim waiting to get you bubba. All Muslims are evil you nut case wacko Susan Saradon fan.
28 posted on 02/25/2003 7:02:54 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (RW&B)
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To: GirlShortstop


I just pictured a baseball team in burkas wearing metal cleats......what does this mean? LOL!!! I better go to work.
29 posted on 02/25/2003 7:05:34 AM PST by Bulldogs22
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To: GirlShortstop


I just pictured a baseball team in burkas wearing metal cleats......what does this mean? LOL!!! I better go to work.
30 posted on 02/25/2003 7:05:53 AM PST by Bulldogs22
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To: Hank Kerchief
"What kind of religion imposes the death penalty on any who would choose to leave it?"

32:19 And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.

32:20 And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt [it] in the fire, and ground [it] to powder, and strawed [it] upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink [of it].

32:21 And Moses said unto Aaron, What did this people unto thee, that thou hast brought so great a sin upon them?

32:22 And Aaron said, Let not the anger of my lord wax hot: thou knowest the people, that they [are set] on mischief.

32:23 For they said unto me, Make us gods, which shall go before us: for [as for] this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.

32:24 And I said unto them, Whosoever hath any gold, let them break [it] off. So they gave [it] me: then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf.

32:25 And when Moses saw that the people [were] naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto [their] shame among their enemies:)

32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who [is] on the LORD'S side? [let him come] unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, [and] go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.


31 posted on 02/25/2003 7:11:09 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Bulldogs22
I chose the wrong word "Racist". I've paid for it dearly. I guess I should just click away from this thread at the moment.
32 posted on 02/25/2003 7:11:18 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (RW&B)
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To: Hank Kerchief
"But, please do not pretend your hate is from a concern for Muslims."

Not my concern at all, I'm more concerned about the people that you are trying to influence with your lies and distortions.

My concern is for the people in this forum exposed to your crap.

The U.S. government is out finding and eliminating the true enemy, in spite of their religious beliefs.

You want a Holy War?

March yourself into battle with the truth, preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to they who have not been saved.

How many have you brought to The Truth with your tactics?

33 posted on 02/25/2003 7:16:08 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Flurry
No, your OK. Your a patriot with a view.
34 posted on 02/25/2003 7:16:43 AM PST by Bulldogs22
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To: Flurry
I chose the wrong word "Racist". I've paid for it dearly. I guess I should just click away from this thread at the moment.

i don't think so, its an easy thing to confuse. Many islamics can be swayed by the clarion call of a book given word for word from allah. They may not want war with the west, but they will side with their brothers. The strategy provided by the article seems like a good one. Force Islam to decide whether to be among the enemies of the west, divide them and take on the more militant countries one at a time (if possible). Perhaps we will end up with a moderate islam group after a while. And perhaps they will sue to live in peace with us.

35 posted on 02/25/2003 7:22:51 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: Flurry
There's nothing wrong with stating your point of view, and being passionate about it.

The group-think will simply try to smash you down each time you venture out on your own.

Fight them.

This world is being batted about by monumental forces right now, and these people are very actively spreading their version of the story at every level possible, even here. Do not take anything for granted, and double-check every "fact" thrown at you.

36 posted on 02/25/2003 7:22:55 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
Moderate Islam must take a stand now, or be forever swept away by the upcoming struggle.

The problem with Islam, is that it is a religion with a prophet, but without a Saviour.

37 posted on 02/25/2003 7:24:51 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Flurry
Islam teaches that the world must accept the Islamic faith (convert) or die. Islam is indeed a threat to the West. We must admit the truth. Perhaps the Muslim people you know are not very religious or perhaps their attitude would be very different if they were in a position of authority.
38 posted on 02/25/2003 7:29:40 AM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse
I know people of many religions who take varying degrees of fanatiscism about their religion. All religious text is subject to interpretation by the reader be they lay or expert. A war of religion would be wrong. A war based on fanatiscism in any religion is doomed to failure. History is full of examples.
39 posted on 02/25/2003 7:40:32 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (RW&B)
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To: *Clash of Civilizatio
Indexing.
40 posted on 02/25/2003 7:42:39 AM PST by denydenydeny
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