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Ignoble (Michael) Savage
The New York Sun ^ | 02/19/03 | IRA STOLL

Posted on 02/18/2003 9:47:27 PM PST by Pokey78

New York’s senior senator is “Upchuck” Schumer. New York’s jun-

ior senator is “Pillory” Clinton. The federal appellate judges for the West Coast are the “The Ninth Jerk-it Court of Schlemiels.” America is threatened by a “tidal wave of Turd World immigration.”

Welcome to the world of Michael Savage, the pen name and radio moniker of author and talk show host Michael A. Weiner. Mr. Savage, born in the Bronx to a Jewish, Democratic, immigrant family that later moved to Queens, worked his way through college as a busboy at a hotel in the Catskills before earning a Ph.D. in epidemiology and nutrition science from the University of California, Berkeley. His humor, such as it is or isn’t, clearly owes less to the tradition of Berkeley than to that of the Borscht Belt.

So what to make of the fact that Mr. Savage’s book, “The Savage Nation,” published by a company whose main business is selling Christian Bibles, is now at or near the top of virtually every national bestseller list, with more than 300,000 copies in circulation? His radio show reaches an audience of 5 million a week; in New York it’s carried by WABC radio, 770 on the AM dial.

Proof that you can never go broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American people? Or is Mr. Savage onto something beyond mere pre-adolescent humor?

Mr. Savage does have a knack for wry, insightful observations on topics ranging from antitrust law to the excesses of the American left. They are delightful for the way they are calculated to incite apoplexy among the holier-than-thou types.

On toy guns: “All of a sudden, the seventies came along. If you gave your kid a cap gun, you were considered psychotic. Instead, you’re supposed to give him a collection of flags from the United Nations.”

On the overmedication of children: “Daydreaming is a sign that a child needs Ritalin?”

On predatory pricing and price-fixing: “The antitrust laws in America make it illegal to charge more than the competition. It’s called price gouging. But you can’t charge less, either, because that would be undercutting your competitors. And if you charge the same, then you’re guilty of collusion. They’ve got you crated and ready for delivery no matter which way you turn.”

On the ACLU’s concern about public displays of religiosity: “You can have sex in public. You can masturbate in public. You can cross-dress in public. You can rub against a sheep in public. But you can’t pray in public.”

He observes that America has too much sex and too little religion, while the Middle East has too much religion and not enough sex. His proposed solution is to “drop millions of copies of Playboy over the nations of the Middle East along with millions of tiny, airline bottles of booze.” Instead of handing out condoms to American college students, university administrators should distribute copies of the U.S. Constitution and the Ten Commandments, he says.

About as often, however, Mr. Savage himself is guilty of the very excesses he decries in his liberal opponents. He complains that because of them, “America is well on her way from being the melting pot to becoming the chamber pot.” But to judge by his book, Mr. Savage himself is doing more than his share to coarsen the culture.

Sometimes he’s just plain wrong. He complains that when Senator Lieberman “used his religion as a weapon. … we heard not a murmur about church and state from the media elite.” In fact, after Mr. Lieberman started talking about God and religion during the campaign, the New York Times let loose with an editorial (“Mr. Lieberman’s Religious Words,” August 31, 2000), that asserted, “whenever religious matters are addressed, Mr. Lieberman should firmly and unequivocally reiterate his support for the separation of church and state, a bedrock principle of the American Constitution and political system.”

Other times Mr. Savage sounds just like the liberals he attacks, denouncing the “oligarchy” he claims is ruling America. “It’s a government of the rich, by the special-interest groups, and for the lobbyists,” Mr. Savage says.

And other times the book goes beyond wrong, into the territory of truly bad taste and even worse.

He refers to “Third Way Führer Blair” of England, a truly vile and unjustifiable title for a prime minister who has been a good friend to America in the war on Islamic terror.

He offers an unconvincing defense of Pius XII as “not Hitler’s pope” but “one of the great men of all time in that he saved upward of a reported eight-hundred thousand Jews.”

Particularly misguided are Mr. Savage’s views on immigration. He writes, “If America is going to survive, we must close our borders to those who mooch and to those from all terror-sponsoring countries.”

Well, no objection here to reforming government-sponsored welfare. But if Mr. Savage’s immigrant ancestors made it to New York City and settled in without any help from their relatives or private charities, they’d be in rare company, indeed. And without admitting Iraqis and Iranians to America, how is America supposed to help train a new generation of leaders for those nations who will be steeped in American traditions of freedom and democracy?

Most creepy is Mr. Savage’s justification of his views on immigration by invoking, however elliptically, racial and cultural differences. “When you alter the people, you alter the country. Does America want to be like Mexico, Central America, or China?” he asks. “Our most important and consequential inventions have come almost exclusively from white males,” Mr. Savage asserts at one point in the book.

Incredibly, Mr. Savage then openly wishes for an American immigration policy more like that advocated by a center-right German politician, Angela Merkel. Now, Ms. Merkel and her Christian Democratic party have their merits on foreign and economic policy, but their railings against the number of Turkish workers in Germany are not among them.

In a section of his book headlined “Biased Liberal News Undermines America,” Mr. Savage defines the cable news network MSNBC as “More Snotty Nonsense By Creeps.” Recently, amid the success of Mr. Savage’s book, MSNBC announced plans to have Mr. Savage host a weekly hour-long TV talk show. Given that MSNBC’s other token “conservative” is Pat Buchanan, it’s unclear whether the move is a calculated liberal plot to make conservatives look bad or a sincere effort to better the network’s ratings in Germany.

As evidence that “we must not allow immigrants to come here and impose their cultural trappings on us,” Mr. Savage raises the following scare: “The next time you’re in your backyard grilling hot dogs, don’t be surprised if your Korean neighbor is actually grilling his dog. That’s the way things are done in Korea.”

But Mr. Savage needn’t worry. The son of the newcomer Korean immigrant will likely prefer to eat at McDonald’s. And his grandson might become a multimillionaire by starting a fast food chain that would popularize Korean cuisine the way Taco Bell did Mexican food. Or the grandson might seek his fortune by writing a bestselling book that argues for keeping the borders closed to the next generation of immigrants.


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To: cyborg
Let's be fair: Ask any second or third generation Italian-American about how he feels about immigrants or migrant groups like Puerto Rican and 75% of the time you will get a negative answer.
61 posted on 02/19/2003 12:52:01 AM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: rmlew
Ira Stoll exposed himself as anti-Christian with the statement about Hitler's Pope!!! If Mr. Stoll would go back and read JUST what the Jews said about the Pope at the time, he would have the scales fall from his eyes!! The Pope saved hundreds of thousands of Jews from the gas chambers....according to the JEWS!!!

The writings by the New York Times as things were happening are very different from the anti-Christian New York Times is now.

63 posted on 02/19/2003 1:27:53 AM PST by Claire Voyant ((visualize whirled peas))
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To: Captainpaintball
When you come to America, you should be willing to become an American. Is that too much to ask?

Not for my paternal grandparents, who were from Ukraine, may they rest in peace.

foreverfree

64 posted on 02/19/2003 1:54:22 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: Captainpaintball
He uses that track in his "opening theme medley" . First is the intro to Master of Puppets, then Motley Crue's If Looks Could Kill, and finally, Metallica's The Shortest Straw,

I prefer nonrock bumpers like the ones used on Marlin Maddoux's "Point of View" (webcasts 2:00p to 4:00p ET weekdays).

foreverfree

65 posted on 02/19/2003 1:59:14 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: Pokey78
Anyone can be wrong on a particular subject or go over the bounds of propriety, but does Stoll go after leftist "pundits" like Red Molly Ivins or other commie creeps like he does here with Savage? This is an out and out hatchet job. I've only heard and read a little of Savage, but every time a leftist goes after a conservative, I know where my sympathies lie.
66 posted on 02/19/2003 2:01:18 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Captainpaintball
"One post's of iron
The other's of steel
If the first one don't get through
Then the next one weel."
67 posted on 02/19/2003 2:20:28 AM PST by Erasmus
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To: ffusco
"The big difference today: we don't need more labor. We don't have blue collar jobs for these people. They are now a BURDEN. "

Actually we do need more labor. Ever been to any major old city? What happened to all the carpenters, masons, plumbers, all the supply yards and sundry buisnesses? Furthermore, look at new building everywhere, all designed and built for ever less skilled labor force. I could go on, poor and long time for road repairs. Go into any factory, and asked the factory floor manager about the mechanical skill level of males these days. Very poor. The same can be said and I know from personal experience that it is very difficult to get any, especially American, to show up for work, let alone apply oneself. Before, at and after the turn of the century we had piles of schools that trained mechanics in all fields, and thus gave human power to the industries of the last century. Now we just give prozac, counciling, tv and sports to the less academic types. Lastly it is not a burden. To the lefties who get government jobs and money, it is their buisness. Dependency is a growth industry. It is just the forced taxes on you to pay the lefties that is a burden. Defund the left, the real reason for less taxes and the real reason the left fights it so, because they'd have to get a real job, and we all know how skilled they would be. Not.

68 posted on 02/19/2003 2:23:37 AM PST by Leisler
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To: driftless
No enemies on the right.
69 posted on 02/19/2003 2:25:23 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Captainpaintball
Here's a little more complete version: a verse and the complete refrain.

(That's all I have time for right now.)

Sixteen Times
If you see me spammin' better step aside
A lot of threads didn't and a lot of threads died
One post's of iron and the other's of steel
If the first post don't get through then the next one weel

You load sixteen times and what do you get
A lot of red X's and a damn slow net
St Peter dont you call me 'cause I cain't get free
I owe my soul to my ISP


70 posted on 02/19/2003 2:37:46 AM PST by Erasmus
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To: cyborg
What is an American? What's American culture?

If you don't know the answer to that, you are in sad shape.

71 posted on 02/19/2003 3:05:51 AM PST by Houmatt (Users are losers. Losers are users.)
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To: BUSHdude2000; Captainpaintball
*sigh*

No, I don't support "illegal immigration". I just don't support the knee-jerks among us who think the answer to everything is a machine gun.

In fact, I don't think I've ever heard Savage discuss illegal immigration because I haven't heard him that much--I don't enjoy his style at all.

In further point of fact, I really don't remember WHAT I've heard him discuss--other than himself. He seems very focused on himself, and his "importance" in the scheme of things. I seem to remember his discussing how "liberals hate me" and all the lengths that "liberals" go to to shut him up.

He really reminds me of quite a few FReepers here, more obsessed with how THEY fit into the scheme of things, than changing the scheme.

72 posted on 02/19/2003 4:24:35 AM PST by Illbay (Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. -- 2 Nephi 25)
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To: rmlew
I don't know of ANY conservative--even "shallow" conservative--pundits who aren't in favor of closing the immigration loophole.

That includes Rush, Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Michael Reagan, our local "personalities" here in Houston, and even Bill O'Reilly.

So Savage's stand on illegal immigration isn't "bold" nor is it "new" nor is it "cutting edge."

What bugs me is the stridency; it just trivializes any attempt at thoughtful commentary on these things.

Savage is the guy for those who don't really DO anything constructive, just sit around, drink beer, belch and gripe.

Talk is cheap.

73 posted on 02/19/2003 4:29:05 AM PST by Illbay (Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. -- 2 Nephi 25)
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To: Illbay
Since you've only listened to about 15 minutes of the show, I'd suggest two things: 1)listen some more and hear what the guy has to say 2)don't comment on things you know so little about.
74 posted on 02/19/2003 4:31:36 AM PST by BUSHdude2000
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To: Illbay; BenLurkin
You're both right. He's as shrill and paranoid as any leftist. Waddanembarassment.
75 posted on 02/19/2003 4:35:09 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
He's no “brainiac” but he says what he feels. So do I.

Is he paranoid? I don't know... he's just a pissed-off guy.

Maybe you should get pissed-off too.

76 posted on 02/19/2003 4:51:42 AM PST by johnny7 (Sometimes, you gotta go crazy!)
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To: johnny7
He says what he thinks will get him ratings, and he's nothing more than a used up old vitamin salesman with NY attitude. Don't want it, don't need it, and don't care to listen. Wallowing in a pissed off state is hardly constructive.
77 posted on 02/19/2003 4:55:33 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: TLBSHOW
Why President Bush hasn't really makes his judgement come into question when it comes to security for America. We all know Mexico is a problem country for us.

Please don't flame me... but listening to the President, he has mention border control many times... I don't think he has the political support for that where it counts. In the Senate.

Everytime the Justice Department tries to stiffen immigration, the Senate screams bloody murder.

So, where as the President realizes that borders are a problem... it's not an issue he can win right now. Those on the border realize its a problem, but their Senators and their state legislatives do not. That's where it has to change for any Federal law can have effect.

I'm not a Bushbot... so don't flame me... This is just my opinion.

78 posted on 02/19/2003 5:09:33 AM PST by carton253
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To: ffusco
Italians are white people ( olive really ) Even the Irish

Ah...Irish (1/2 on Mom's side) now those are WHITE people! I'm glad that I didn't inherit that skin. A childhood friend of mine came fishing with me back in gradeschool and got burnt red in one hour from the reflection from the water. So for the next two days I went to the beach all day with his sister, who got her skin from the Italian side, while he recovered in the house.

79 posted on 02/19/2003 5:31:46 AM PST by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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To: Houmatt
Well if you were from another country what would YOU say is culture? There's nothing wrong with asking, nothing wrong with critical thinking skills. That's all I was doing. Please don't get the impression that I'm trying to undermine America by asking that question. Not at all.
80 posted on 02/19/2003 5:33:46 AM PST by cyborg
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