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Ignoble (Michael) Savage
The New York Sun ^ | 02/19/03 | IRA STOLL

Posted on 02/18/2003 9:47:27 PM PST by Pokey78

New York’s senior senator is “Upchuck” Schumer. New York’s jun-

ior senator is “Pillory” Clinton. The federal appellate judges for the West Coast are the “The Ninth Jerk-it Court of Schlemiels.” America is threatened by a “tidal wave of Turd World immigration.”

Welcome to the world of Michael Savage, the pen name and radio moniker of author and talk show host Michael A. Weiner. Mr. Savage, born in the Bronx to a Jewish, Democratic, immigrant family that later moved to Queens, worked his way through college as a busboy at a hotel in the Catskills before earning a Ph.D. in epidemiology and nutrition science from the University of California, Berkeley. His humor, such as it is or isn’t, clearly owes less to the tradition of Berkeley than to that of the Borscht Belt.

So what to make of the fact that Mr. Savage’s book, “The Savage Nation,” published by a company whose main business is selling Christian Bibles, is now at or near the top of virtually every national bestseller list, with more than 300,000 copies in circulation? His radio show reaches an audience of 5 million a week; in New York it’s carried by WABC radio, 770 on the AM dial.

Proof that you can never go broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American people? Or is Mr. Savage onto something beyond mere pre-adolescent humor?

Mr. Savage does have a knack for wry, insightful observations on topics ranging from antitrust law to the excesses of the American left. They are delightful for the way they are calculated to incite apoplexy among the holier-than-thou types.

On toy guns: “All of a sudden, the seventies came along. If you gave your kid a cap gun, you were considered psychotic. Instead, you’re supposed to give him a collection of flags from the United Nations.”

On the overmedication of children: “Daydreaming is a sign that a child needs Ritalin?”

On predatory pricing and price-fixing: “The antitrust laws in America make it illegal to charge more than the competition. It’s called price gouging. But you can’t charge less, either, because that would be undercutting your competitors. And if you charge the same, then you’re guilty of collusion. They’ve got you crated and ready for delivery no matter which way you turn.”

On the ACLU’s concern about public displays of religiosity: “You can have sex in public. You can masturbate in public. You can cross-dress in public. You can rub against a sheep in public. But you can’t pray in public.”

He observes that America has too much sex and too little religion, while the Middle East has too much religion and not enough sex. His proposed solution is to “drop millions of copies of Playboy over the nations of the Middle East along with millions of tiny, airline bottles of booze.” Instead of handing out condoms to American college students, university administrators should distribute copies of the U.S. Constitution and the Ten Commandments, he says.

About as often, however, Mr. Savage himself is guilty of the very excesses he decries in his liberal opponents. He complains that because of them, “America is well on her way from being the melting pot to becoming the chamber pot.” But to judge by his book, Mr. Savage himself is doing more than his share to coarsen the culture.

Sometimes he’s just plain wrong. He complains that when Senator Lieberman “used his religion as a weapon. … we heard not a murmur about church and state from the media elite.” In fact, after Mr. Lieberman started talking about God and religion during the campaign, the New York Times let loose with an editorial (“Mr. Lieberman’s Religious Words,” August 31, 2000), that asserted, “whenever religious matters are addressed, Mr. Lieberman should firmly and unequivocally reiterate his support for the separation of church and state, a bedrock principle of the American Constitution and political system.”

Other times Mr. Savage sounds just like the liberals he attacks, denouncing the “oligarchy” he claims is ruling America. “It’s a government of the rich, by the special-interest groups, and for the lobbyists,” Mr. Savage says.

And other times the book goes beyond wrong, into the territory of truly bad taste and even worse.

He refers to “Third Way Führer Blair” of England, a truly vile and unjustifiable title for a prime minister who has been a good friend to America in the war on Islamic terror.

He offers an unconvincing defense of Pius XII as “not Hitler’s pope” but “one of the great men of all time in that he saved upward of a reported eight-hundred thousand Jews.”

Particularly misguided are Mr. Savage’s views on immigration. He writes, “If America is going to survive, we must close our borders to those who mooch and to those from all terror-sponsoring countries.”

Well, no objection here to reforming government-sponsored welfare. But if Mr. Savage’s immigrant ancestors made it to New York City and settled in without any help from their relatives or private charities, they’d be in rare company, indeed. And without admitting Iraqis and Iranians to America, how is America supposed to help train a new generation of leaders for those nations who will be steeped in American traditions of freedom and democracy?

Most creepy is Mr. Savage’s justification of his views on immigration by invoking, however elliptically, racial and cultural differences. “When you alter the people, you alter the country. Does America want to be like Mexico, Central America, or China?” he asks. “Our most important and consequential inventions have come almost exclusively from white males,” Mr. Savage asserts at one point in the book.

Incredibly, Mr. Savage then openly wishes for an American immigration policy more like that advocated by a center-right German politician, Angela Merkel. Now, Ms. Merkel and her Christian Democratic party have their merits on foreign and economic policy, but their railings against the number of Turkish workers in Germany are not among them.

In a section of his book headlined “Biased Liberal News Undermines America,” Mr. Savage defines the cable news network MSNBC as “More Snotty Nonsense By Creeps.” Recently, amid the success of Mr. Savage’s book, MSNBC announced plans to have Mr. Savage host a weekly hour-long TV talk show. Given that MSNBC’s other token “conservative” is Pat Buchanan, it’s unclear whether the move is a calculated liberal plot to make conservatives look bad or a sincere effort to better the network’s ratings in Germany.

As evidence that “we must not allow immigrants to come here and impose their cultural trappings on us,” Mr. Savage raises the following scare: “The next time you’re in your backyard grilling hot dogs, don’t be surprised if your Korean neighbor is actually grilling his dog. That’s the way things are done in Korea.”

But Mr. Savage needn’t worry. The son of the newcomer Korean immigrant will likely prefer to eat at McDonald’s. And his grandson might become a multimillionaire by starting a fast food chain that would popularize Korean cuisine the way Taco Bell did Mexican food. Or the grandson might seek his fortune by writing a bestselling book that argues for keeping the borders closed to the next generation of immigrants.


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To: ffusco
My grandfather did come here legally, through Ellis Island. I believe he was a stone mason. He died very young, probably from overworking himself. If you go on the Ellis Island website you can find records of family who passed through there. There were lots of 'Guiseppe Ficheras' passing through Ellis Island then. I don't LIKE illegal aliens because they don't come here legally. Please don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with all of what Mike Savage says. It's just that sometimes he can get a bit annoying. A person can be truthful, but Savage is sometimes a bit too brutally honesy. Know what I mean?
21 posted on 02/18/2003 10:33:20 PM PST by cyborg
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To: TLBSHOW
Never going to happen. It makes too much sense.
22 posted on 02/18/2003 10:34:24 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Pokey78
I like Ira Stoll, but at heart he remains a Scoop Jackson neo-lib democrat, who has simply become cheap.
He doesn't make an effort to understand traditional conservatism or the libertarian streak that runs through it.
23 posted on 02/18/2003 10:36:20 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Illbay
Obviously you don't live in a leftist city and feel like screaming.
24 posted on 02/18/2003 10:37:03 PM PST by rmlew
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To: SickOfItAll
I am not agreeing or disagreeing. Just that when he talks about altering the people, you alter the country, what is he talking about? Disagreeing with Savage, or maybe more his method of delivery than his ideas, doesn't make me PC. And I curse you three times and spit upon you for saying I listen to NPR! I should give you the evil eye.
25 posted on 02/18/2003 10:37:42 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
He's an entertainer. His brand is "outrageous". I agree, I have to be in the mood for him. If I feel like having my horns twisted.LOL.
26 posted on 02/18/2003 10:38:35 PM PST by ffusco (Omni Gaul Delenda Est!)
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To: Captainpaintball
Savage is not anti-immigration. However, he does support reducing number of legal immigrants and expelling illegals.
27 posted on 02/18/2003 10:38:44 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Axenolith
Wrong Album.
...And Justice for All is so Michael Savage. (Of course I wanted to use it, but you get the idea).
Don't Tread on Me from the Black Album would also work.
29 posted on 02/18/2003 10:41:39 PM PST by rmlew
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To: rmlew
Savage is not anti-immigration. However, he does support reducing number of legal immigrants and expelling illegals.

I thought I said that.

30 posted on 02/18/2003 10:43:43 PM PST by Captainpaintball (i wus publik skool edjookaded and i turnedout good rite?)
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To: bayareablues
Ira, baby, do what I do: Change the station or turn off the radio when "it" doesn't resonate with you or your mood at the moment.

Trust me, it works. I was able to avoid losing my dinner tonight by changing the channel quickly, after I stopped on MSNBC and Donahue.

Donahue is on during Savage. So's O'Reilly (TV). Plenty to choose from. Drop me a line and I can suggest a couple of radio programs on shortwave to try out.

31 posted on 02/18/2003 10:44:13 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: ffusco
I will say this. Mike Savage has cajones the size of Gibraltar to do what he does. I admire his machismo. Reminds me of my dad. Okay I will say I think my dad did try to assimilate into American culture. He wore a Stetson, listened to country music, and wore lots of checked plaid. I saw a pic of my mom when she first came to this country. She looked like a cross between Diana Ross and Rita Moreno, with the dark skin and bee hive hair do. Seems that old immigrants imitated a lot of the movies to try to assimilate.
32 posted on 02/18/2003 10:46:28 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Axenolith
He's got to find a way to work Master of Puppets into the bumper rotation... ;)

He uses that track in his "opening theme medley" . First is the intro to Master of Puppets, then Motley Crue's If Looks Could Kill, and finally, Metallica's The Shortest Straw

33 posted on 02/18/2003 10:48:11 PM PST by Captainpaintball (Only a more Savage Nation can survive...)
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To: rmlew
I wouldn't have a problem shutting down all immmigration for a short period of time to tear down the INS and put it back the way it is supposed to be. However, the government takes forever to do everything and usually screws it up.
34 posted on 02/18/2003 10:49:39 PM PST by cyborg
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To: SpaceBar
Savage does rock.
35 posted on 02/18/2003 10:49:41 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: cyborg
The notion of God as the perfect watch maker, wound it and let it do it's thing was a neat idea from the Enlightenment era. It allowed for faith in a supreme being and the objective study of nature to seek truth. Not such a bad idea, though it is esquisitely Newtonian, and even the God is like a engineer, quite detached from his work. This presupposes that He doesn't interfere with his esquisite creation, so all forces on Earth are just Matter in Motion and therefore, quantifyable, predictable and repeatable. This last part expalins why it appealed to so many men of science.



36 posted on 02/18/2003 10:49:47 PM PST by ffusco (Omni Gaul Delenda Est!)
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To: Pokey78
Loved the quotes, hated the writer.
37 posted on 02/18/2003 10:49:55 PM PST by Porterville
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To: ffusco
I didn't think of it that way. Your explanation is better than the reason Savage gave. He was putting it in context of what he saw at a children's cancer ward. I guess I understand his point but still. I expected an answer more like yours from him. Good point.
38 posted on 02/18/2003 10:53:08 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
What a great family story! Thank you. I have got to get some old family photos. Everyone looked so glamourous in the 40's. Your Mom and Dad sound pretty swark!
39 posted on 02/18/2003 10:53:46 PM PST by ffusco (Omni Gaul Delenda Est!)
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To: Illbay
Pointless, directionless anger is of no worth to anyone.

Directionless? His anger is directed at the Leftist swine. Pointless? His point is that they are responsible for damaging this country. And they are.

Anger? I'll take passion and anger over being a human mollusk any day. These people don't deserve reasoned debate; they deserve to be hounded, ridiculed and attacked at every turn.

40 posted on 02/18/2003 10:54:52 PM PST by Reactionary
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