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Ignoble (Michael) Savage
The New York Sun ^ | 02/19/03 | IRA STOLL

Posted on 02/18/2003 9:47:27 PM PST by Pokey78

New York’s senior senator is “Upchuck” Schumer. New York’s jun-

ior senator is “Pillory” Clinton. The federal appellate judges for the West Coast are the “The Ninth Jerk-it Court of Schlemiels.” America is threatened by a “tidal wave of Turd World immigration.”

Welcome to the world of Michael Savage, the pen name and radio moniker of author and talk show host Michael A. Weiner. Mr. Savage, born in the Bronx to a Jewish, Democratic, immigrant family that later moved to Queens, worked his way through college as a busboy at a hotel in the Catskills before earning a Ph.D. in epidemiology and nutrition science from the University of California, Berkeley. His humor, such as it is or isn’t, clearly owes less to the tradition of Berkeley than to that of the Borscht Belt.

So what to make of the fact that Mr. Savage’s book, “The Savage Nation,” published by a company whose main business is selling Christian Bibles, is now at or near the top of virtually every national bestseller list, with more than 300,000 copies in circulation? His radio show reaches an audience of 5 million a week; in New York it’s carried by WABC radio, 770 on the AM dial.

Proof that you can never go broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American people? Or is Mr. Savage onto something beyond mere pre-adolescent humor?

Mr. Savage does have a knack for wry, insightful observations on topics ranging from antitrust law to the excesses of the American left. They are delightful for the way they are calculated to incite apoplexy among the holier-than-thou types.

On toy guns: “All of a sudden, the seventies came along. If you gave your kid a cap gun, you were considered psychotic. Instead, you’re supposed to give him a collection of flags from the United Nations.”

On the overmedication of children: “Daydreaming is a sign that a child needs Ritalin?”

On predatory pricing and price-fixing: “The antitrust laws in America make it illegal to charge more than the competition. It’s called price gouging. But you can’t charge less, either, because that would be undercutting your competitors. And if you charge the same, then you’re guilty of collusion. They’ve got you crated and ready for delivery no matter which way you turn.”

On the ACLU’s concern about public displays of religiosity: “You can have sex in public. You can masturbate in public. You can cross-dress in public. You can rub against a sheep in public. But you can’t pray in public.”

He observes that America has too much sex and too little religion, while the Middle East has too much religion and not enough sex. His proposed solution is to “drop millions of copies of Playboy over the nations of the Middle East along with millions of tiny, airline bottles of booze.” Instead of handing out condoms to American college students, university administrators should distribute copies of the U.S. Constitution and the Ten Commandments, he says.

About as often, however, Mr. Savage himself is guilty of the very excesses he decries in his liberal opponents. He complains that because of them, “America is well on her way from being the melting pot to becoming the chamber pot.” But to judge by his book, Mr. Savage himself is doing more than his share to coarsen the culture.

Sometimes he’s just plain wrong. He complains that when Senator Lieberman “used his religion as a weapon. … we heard not a murmur about church and state from the media elite.” In fact, after Mr. Lieberman started talking about God and religion during the campaign, the New York Times let loose with an editorial (“Mr. Lieberman’s Religious Words,” August 31, 2000), that asserted, “whenever religious matters are addressed, Mr. Lieberman should firmly and unequivocally reiterate his support for the separation of church and state, a bedrock principle of the American Constitution and political system.”

Other times Mr. Savage sounds just like the liberals he attacks, denouncing the “oligarchy” he claims is ruling America. “It’s a government of the rich, by the special-interest groups, and for the lobbyists,” Mr. Savage says.

And other times the book goes beyond wrong, into the territory of truly bad taste and even worse.

He refers to “Third Way Führer Blair” of England, a truly vile and unjustifiable title for a prime minister who has been a good friend to America in the war on Islamic terror.

He offers an unconvincing defense of Pius XII as “not Hitler’s pope” but “one of the great men of all time in that he saved upward of a reported eight-hundred thousand Jews.”

Particularly misguided are Mr. Savage’s views on immigration. He writes, “If America is going to survive, we must close our borders to those who mooch and to those from all terror-sponsoring countries.”

Well, no objection here to reforming government-sponsored welfare. But if Mr. Savage’s immigrant ancestors made it to New York City and settled in without any help from their relatives or private charities, they’d be in rare company, indeed. And without admitting Iraqis and Iranians to America, how is America supposed to help train a new generation of leaders for those nations who will be steeped in American traditions of freedom and democracy?

Most creepy is Mr. Savage’s justification of his views on immigration by invoking, however elliptically, racial and cultural differences. “When you alter the people, you alter the country. Does America want to be like Mexico, Central America, or China?” he asks. “Our most important and consequential inventions have come almost exclusively from white males,” Mr. Savage asserts at one point in the book.

Incredibly, Mr. Savage then openly wishes for an American immigration policy more like that advocated by a center-right German politician, Angela Merkel. Now, Ms. Merkel and her Christian Democratic party have their merits on foreign and economic policy, but their railings against the number of Turkish workers in Germany are not among them.

In a section of his book headlined “Biased Liberal News Undermines America,” Mr. Savage defines the cable news network MSNBC as “More Snotty Nonsense By Creeps.” Recently, amid the success of Mr. Savage’s book, MSNBC announced plans to have Mr. Savage host a weekly hour-long TV talk show. Given that MSNBC’s other token “conservative” is Pat Buchanan, it’s unclear whether the move is a calculated liberal plot to make conservatives look bad or a sincere effort to better the network’s ratings in Germany.

As evidence that “we must not allow immigrants to come here and impose their cultural trappings on us,” Mr. Savage raises the following scare: “The next time you’re in your backyard grilling hot dogs, don’t be surprised if your Korean neighbor is actually grilling his dog. That’s the way things are done in Korea.”

But Mr. Savage needn’t worry. The son of the newcomer Korean immigrant will likely prefer to eat at McDonald’s. And his grandson might become a multimillionaire by starting a fast food chain that would popularize Korean cuisine the way Taco Bell did Mexican food. Or the grandson might seek his fortune by writing a bestselling book that argues for keeping the borders closed to the next generation of immigrants.


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To: Illbay; Captainpaintball; BUSHdude2000
Pointless, directionless anger is of no worth to anyone.

Savage is a drip.

Illbay, I always look for your posts every time I come on FR.

Your joyous light-hearted humour and scintillating wit light up my day.

41 posted on 02/18/2003 10:58:15 PM PST by Allan
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To: cyborg
What is an American? What's American culture?

American culture is recognizing, respecting, and appreciating the important things that define America: Like The Constitution, The Declaration Of Independence, representative government, fair and open elections, football, baseball, Hulk Hogan, big breasts, the Automobile, rock and roll, equal rights, a fair legal system, capitalism, and all the rest of the things that make us AMERICA, and NOT Ethiopia.

An American is someone who recognizes those things, and won't try to undermine it. They share a common goal, a common language, a common border and a common culture.

42 posted on 02/18/2003 10:58:26 PM PST by Captainpaintball (Only a more Savage Nation can survive...)
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To: SpaceBar
I enjoy Savage most when he rambles on about nothing or simply makes fun of Liberals. The pictures he paints. Like the liberal professor types who put their hands together and bow to the waiter when they eat in a Chinese restaurant - what is THAT all about! These types of observations really crack me up. Larry Seltzer. Madelain Brisket Albright. That kind of junk cracks me up. Espically when he drifts off into a stream of consciousness. Listen to the guy, and it is clear that he is bipolar too - if only to a small degree. He is up and down. He knows it and has alluded to it. Makes him all the more entertaining. Sure, he goes off the deep end occasionally. So what. He isn't trying to be anything more than what he is, unlike most of the phony politicians out there. He doesn't have to hold back and that is why the people love him. They know he says crap he doesn't believe sometimes. Like you and me. Makes him human.
43 posted on 02/18/2003 11:00:06 PM PST by bluefish
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To: ffusco
It's nice to have family pictures. My dad didn't have any pictures of himself when he was young. Photography was very expensive with ten other siblings. I did see a picture of him when he was fifty when he met my mother (who was 17...hehe). He looked like a Texas guido. My mother moans and groans about how kids don't dress up anymore... don't get her started!
44 posted on 02/18/2003 11:01:51 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
That's funny! I'm Italian from NYC and I live in Houston now. That makes me a Texas Guido!

Opps I meant to say swank not swark!
45 posted on 02/18/2003 11:04:25 PM PST by ffusco (Omni Gaul Delenda Est!)
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To: Captainpaintball
Do I have to like Hulk Hogan? I prefer... the Rattlesnake and The Rock. Hulk reminds me of how old I am since I had a HH lunch box in grade school. I wish I had big breasts, but not sure why...lol. Other than those two points we agree. Wait. I lie. I don't like cars. The only car I will ever love is the General Lee. I like motorcycles.

We are in agreement on everything else. I think the spirit that captured this country on 9-11 is what is American. Even the illegal immigrants in my neighborhood were putting up American flags...lol. It's too bad that we can't have that every day.
46 posted on 02/18/2003 11:07:09 PM PST by cyborg
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To: meanie monster
He was jack-booted off the air in Nashville and replaced with Hannity.

I was living in Nashville when they first picked Savage up. It was the first time I had heard him and I thought he was an embarrassing doofus. Now, I get a kick out of his show, though I can only take it in small doses.

BTW, Phil Valentine is the man! I miss listening to his show during the afternoon commute.

47 posted on 02/18/2003 11:12:09 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
phill is syndicated now but I don't know all the stations picking him up. I know you can hear him in Ky.
48 posted on 02/18/2003 11:17:34 PM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: Captainpaintball
Yeah, what you said. Imagine if a muslim came on the air and said what Savage says about borders, language, and culture. Probably never happen.

I only learned recently that Mike was Jewish, makes me respect him more.
49 posted on 02/18/2003 11:24:34 PM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: Pokey78
bttt
50 posted on 02/18/2003 11:26:00 PM PST by Roberts
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To: meanie monster; All
Imagine if a muslim came on the air and said what Savage says about borders, language, and culture. Probably never happen.

This is the key!!! THE MUSLIMS ARE SAYING THIS!!! They are doing what we should be doing: defending our way of life. THAT is one reason why France and Germany are not supporting US action in the Gulf: Their countries have been populated with such large numbers of non-conforming, anti-Eurpoe/anti-infidel Muslims, they are now afraid of supporting the US--for fear of terrorism!!! these countries will cease to exist in its current form in 30 years.

This example PERFECTLY illustrates the Borders, Language and Culture argument.

51 posted on 02/18/2003 11:43:48 PM PST by Captainpaintball (Only a more Savage Nation can survive...)
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To: meanie monster; All
Imagine if a muslim came on the air and said what Savage says about borders, language, and culture. Probably never happen.

This is the key!!! THE MUSLIMS ARE SAYING THIS!!! They are doing what we should be doing: defending our way of life. THAT is one reason why France and Germany are not supporting US action in the Gulf: Their countries have been populated with such large numbers of non-conforming, anti-Eurpoe/anti-infidel Muslims, they are now afraid of supporting the US--for fear of terrorism!!! these countries will cease to exist in its current form in 30 years.

This example PERFECTLY illustrates the Borders, Language and Culture argument.

52 posted on 02/18/2003 11:44:37 PM PST by Captainpaintball (Only a more Savage Nation can survive...)
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To: Captainpaintball
Stop double posting, you jerk! Pay attention!
53 posted on 02/18/2003 11:46:26 PM PST by Captainpaintball (I'm sorry. Won't happen again...)
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To: cyborg
My mother moans and groans about how kids don't dress up anymore

And you can't make the "Borders, language, culture" connection there?

54 posted on 02/18/2003 11:46:55 PM PST by lewislynn
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To: lewislynn
My mother is very old fashioned. She hates rap, baggy pants hanging down showing underwear, dirty grunge Phish-style, and smelly armpits. But it's not illegal immigrants dressing that way. These are American kids dressing like that. I guess it depends on what music you listen to. Remember when swing made a brief come back? That sure died pretty quickly. My mother theorized it's because today's American children don't know to dress. I can see your point about that aspect of "culture".
55 posted on 02/18/2003 11:53:53 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Captainpaintball
U R right. how do we respond to that without being racisits?
56 posted on 02/19/2003 12:01:52 AM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: meanie monster
There's nothing racist about pointing out how having radical,islamofascists are bad for a country. Look at the all the countries ruled by radical muslim fanatics. Dust bowls. I say it all the time, but yeah.. people do call me a racist actually.
57 posted on 02/19/2003 12:05:10 AM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
He is too full of himself. I do listen to him sometimes, but I find I have to shut him off when he starts on his tirades.

I listen to his opening schtick (for about 10 mintues), and then I turn him off. He's terrible with his callers, and most of them are of a very low quality. To his credit, however, he's sometimes very funny and insightful.

58 posted on 02/19/2003 12:16:10 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: cyborg
Okee Dokee, let's kick their butts and then we can talk about it.
59 posted on 02/19/2003 12:17:10 AM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: Pokey78; Cacique; rmlew; firebrand
Sometimes he’s just plain wrong. He complains that when Senator Lieberman “used his religion as a weapon. … we heard not a murmur about church and state from the media elite.” In fact, after Mr. Lieberman started talking about God and religion during the campaign, the New York Times let loose with an editorial (“Mr. Lieberman’s Religious Words,” August 31, 2000), that asserted, “whenever religious matters are addressed, Mr. Lieberman should firmly and unequivocally reiterate his support for the separation of church and state, a bedrock principle of the American Constitution and political system.”

Lieberman deserves every bit of criticism that comes his way. This neocon seems to have a soft spot for the liberalman (and for open borders), a good reason to avoid the Sun.

60 posted on 02/19/2003 12:49:17 AM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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