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I THINK THE SNIPERS ARE AL QAEDA
Various Cable Networks ^ | 11 October 2002 | Myself

Posted on 10/11/2002 1:40:39 PM PDT by LSUfan

I'm watching this sniper coverage on the cable networks and everyone is so sure that this is a nut of some sort: a gun nut, a military nut, a serial killer, etc.

But we have evidence to indicate that there is more than one. Two nuts? The President of the Marine Scout Sniper Assoc was just on MSNBC and said that he is sure that the shooter isn't alone because he doubts that anyone could stalk, lay-up, take the shot, egress and just drive off in his minivan.

So now they have all the wonderful psychological profilers on...including some 300 lb private detective...and they are all talking about this like these guys are deranged or disturbed. They all refer to "spree" killers and "serial" killers.

Excuse me, but I'd like to see the list of serial killing TEAMS in American history! And I'd like to learn more about the spree killers who take 10 shots, get 10 kills, including one within 50 yards of a state trooper in plain sight and then vanish without a trace.

These guys have training, motivation, and resources and they are operating as a team. The fact that they shot with the cop right there tells me they were totally confident. I believe they plan these like operations, script them, rehearse them, conduct recons and then execute them LIKE OPERATIONS.

Who does that sound like to you?

Why isn't the media even thinking about the Islamic terrorism angle?

Also: this sniper was taking a big chance with daylight attacks in an urban environment, including one with a cop in plain sight. That (to me) implies that he has area security and avenues of egress and methods of egress covered. That's a lot easier to do in a daylight urban scenario if you have a team, as opposed to a lone gunman.

The fact that these attacks occurred just as the tanker was blown up in Yemen also makes me suspicious. Not to mention the 1 year anniversary of Enduring Freedom.

Just talked to a close friend who is with a DC think tank and is also a retired Col. of Marines. He is tuned in to law enforcement in the DC area as well as he is also a director of a company that sells computer equipment designed for tactical and security use. He has personal and professional contacts with law enforcement in the DC area. Also, his wife was two blocks away from one of the shootings when it happened, and in fact when he heard that a woman in her 30s had been killed in that particular spot while vacuuming her vehicle, he was extremely worried, because that fit her description. He couldn't reach her by phone for a good 15 minutes.

In general: it should be remembered that the month of October was the month in which Sheikh Omar Abdel al-Rahman, OBL's favorite mullah, and a top OBL lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, were convicted in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Also, October was the month in which we started our assault on the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

These aren't some bad militia boys who got into some bad moonshine...these guys aren't shooting up the countryside. They're likely conducting recon, setting up their shots and bugging out to live to do it again. My friend tells me that terrorism is definitely on everyone's lips and minds and that the Feds have involved in this out the ying yang from the get go...BATF, FBI...even Secret Service because of the proximity to DC.

My buddy points out that Al Qaeda said specifically that it would target schools, so this might be the start of something.

GET THIS:

Two of the shots were HEAD SHOTS at a moving target at 150 meters. While a tourso shot at 150 meters is not a terribly hard shot for someone with training, a HEAD SHOT at 150 meters on a moving target would be a virtually impossible shot for a nut with no training. Next time you go to the gun show, take a look at the guy to your left and the guy to your right. Chances are, unless they grew up hunting or were in the military, you'd be pretty safe if they took a shot at you at 150yds while you were moving. Hint: Marines qualify out to the 500 yard line with the M16A2. That is what training will do. I qualified expert and am still an avid shooter today. I shoot a heavy barrel AR15A2 in 5.56mm and a National Match M1A in 7.62 NATO. I am NOT at all confident that I could get a head shot on a moving target at 150 meters. In fact...I would not even try. I would shoot center of mass. What all this indicates is a very highly trained shooter with good gear and most likely a spotter.

And GET THIS as well:

My buddy tells me that the FBI al Qaeda profilers have been predicting some sort of random attack as a contrast to 9-11. Something that sends the message: "no one anywhere is safe from us." al Qaeda has specifically said that they have the right to kill hundreds of thousands of "American children." This fits in with the critique of the al Qaeda training video that came out not long ago.

Here is another coincidence (?): In his Oct 4th column, Bill Gertz of the Washington Times said: "U.S. intelligence agencies received reports this week indicating Islamic terrorists have targeted American schools for attack, intelligence officials said. The reports indicate that the targeting includes plans to attack all levels of educational institutions in the United States, ranging from elementary schools to colleges and universities, said officials familiar with the reports." One of the victims was a 13 year old schoolboy.

Now REALLY GET THIS:

In the public release, law enforecemnt has not mentioned any race or ethnicity of the perps. But the unclassified bulletin that is being circulated by the Feds describes says that one of the local deputies got a description of two "Hispanics" but the feds think the guy just profiled them as Hispanics from law enforcement experience and that the two could easily be Middle Eastern. My buddy did not know if the deputy saw the perps himself or took a description from witnesses. The original vehicle was described as a white delivery van and today the suspect vehicle was a white Chevy Astro Van (but if these guys are pros like everyone thinks, neither vehicle will be showing up again).

A few more interesting insights from my friend:

The killer (or killers) must have felt secure in his surroundings. Most of the killings happened on or near busy main avenues during rush hour.

To say nothing of the fact that the region is crawling with law enforcement of every kind, being so close to the nation's capital.

Obviously it's someone who has murdered before or has been trained and conditioned to kill people. My buddy doubts many first-time killers, to say nothing of social outcasts or sickos, would have the nerve to kill with a single shot, then drive to another location within a half-hour, then kill again with another single shot.

Notably, all the areas of the killings are highly integrated racially. Had the killings been two miles west or south, they would have been in practically all-white or all-black neighborhoods, respectively, so a non-white/non-black killer (i.e., Middle Eastern) would not have been noticed in the areas in question.

Finally, the coincidental timing of these two incidents is another reason to suspect al Qaeda terrorism. Blow up a ship at the same time they're plinking away at innocent civilians...

If they haven't already done so, the cops and Feds need to bring in some guys from the Scout-Sniper School in Quantico to analyze this thing. Most law enforcement snipers don't think like the guys who did these horrible acts. And street cops certainly do not. The best way to get a sniper is with another sniper. The Marine snipers are the best in the world.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; copernicus2; sniper; terrorism
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To: DBtoo
Yeah, I agree. He knows his stuff!
281 posted on 10/11/2002 6:04:55 PM PDT by livius
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To: GoreNoMore
"Makes me think it may have been an activation card to active other silent cells."

trying to follow the logic, if it was an "activation card" as you call it for other cells, WHY would they (the shooter who left it) want it kept quiet ???

282 posted on 10/11/2002 6:06:10 PM PDT by SunnyUsa
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To: LSUfan
It's been a few years since I replied to anything, long time lurkin, but now it's time to jump back in the pit. How do I say this.....normally, terrorists will claim responsibility for their activity, this hasn't been done. They want you to know who it is that's bringing the turmoil. And if it is Al Qeada?, you can bet that it's more than just two people involved. It took a great deal of planning for Sept.11, so you can be sure that this has been well planned too, and by more than just 2. Just my opinion.
283 posted on 10/11/2002 6:06:47 PM PDT by vnix
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To: foreshadowed at waco
"and be en route before the victim hit the ground--hence no real eyewitnesses."

That's what they want everybody to think, but they ain't gettin' on the hwy. Not until they're done with the evasion and heading home.

284 posted on 10/11/2002 6:08:35 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: LSUfan
I THINK THE SNIPERS ARE AL QAEDA

 

In a word, no. 

Nobody has claimed responsibility for this.  Terrorists want everyone to know that they are the ones doing it so they gain the most emotional impact for their buck. 

It's not their style.  They prefer attacking targets that are representative of the U.S. not the American people.  I'm sure this isn't getting much news time anywhere else in the world other than here.  Those guys live on publicity.

FWIW, here's my amateur profile on the shooter. 

White male, between ages of 27-35, prior military service, general or bad conduct discharge, fascination with firearms and serial killers. Possibly married at one time, if he was it failed miserably. Single, no close attachments, loner type. Normal features, short haircut, one possibly two, military type tattoos. High school education, little if any college. No really marketable trade skills.

One thing he isn't is middle eastern. Write it down.

 

I'll bet you any amount of money you want to bet that he's not middle eastern.

 

285 posted on 10/11/2002 6:10:16 PM PDT by FatherTorque
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To: vnix
"They want you to know who it is that's bringing the turmoil."

Name one happening al queda announced they perped.

286 posted on 10/11/2002 6:11:17 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: SunnyUsa
What better way to ensure that something is said than to tell someone not to tell it. Seems to have worked doesn't it. Card says (reported by Fox today) "Do not let the News know about the card".
287 posted on 10/11/2002 6:11:51 PM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: knak; thchronic; zeaal; SunnyUsa; aristeides; EnquiringMind; El Gato; floriduh voter; RAT Patrol; ..
Would a moslem use the phrase "I am God"?

I should like to point out the simple fact
that the phrase "I am God" occurs many times
in the Christian Bible.

(ex. Genesis 17:1, 26:24)

As a quotation from holy scripture
(which I presume this might be)
a moslem certainly could use this phrase.

The Christian Bible is a sacred text for moslems
and I assume the phrase "I am Allah" occurs many times
in the Koran as well.

288 posted on 10/11/2002 6:14:33 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: swarthyguy
I don't know much about white muslims but was wondering about Bosnian or Serbian snipers (remember "Sniper's Alley in Sarajevo?). Any one know about them? Aren't they Caucasian?
289 posted on 10/11/2002 6:15:55 PM PDT by VoteHarryBrowne2000
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To: GoreNoMore
ha...ok, you saying the 'terrorist shooter' is using reverse psychology.

hmmmmmmm....I dunno...I'm suspending belief on that one! ;)

If you're proven right, please ping me to gloat! lol

290 posted on 10/11/2002 6:15:58 PM PDT by SunnyUsa
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To: alisasny
I sat down and tried to figure out how many serial killer pairs there have been in the last 100 years. I came up with 3 cases and only 3.

Buono and Bianchi, the Hillside Stranglers.
Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.
Henry Lee Lucas and Ottis Toole

We all know it's not unusual for terrorist cells to work in teams. I would find it hard to believe that two nut cases who are experts in marksmenship as well as evading capture would meet up, decide to go on a killing spree that would terrorize an entire area. Terrorists on the other hand.
291 posted on 10/11/2002 6:23:15 PM PDT by Brytani
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To: FatherTorque
"Nobody has claimed responsibility for this. Terrorists want everyone to know that they are the ones doing it so they gain the most emotional impact for their buck. "

Since the topic is Al-Qaeda, I think it would be better to ask "is Al-Qaeda quick to claim responsibility for terrorism?" The answer is no. So far, Al-Qaeda's pattern is to make a vague threat, which after a little while is followed by some action which appears, in a rough and ambiguous way, to fulfill the threat. Only slowly does it come out that they did it, the better to (a)mess with or heads, and (b), get the judicial purists (Carter, Gore, Annan and half of Europe)to argue against counter-action because we don't have "incontrovertible proof."

I am not at all convinced this is Al-Qaeda, but it is foolish to rule them out, given AQ's emphasis on small arms training, including how to use small arms for terroristic purposes.

292 posted on 10/11/2002 6:29:31 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: KsSunflower
If this is a terrorist plot, they would get much more mileage from using different groups in cities across the country. If this happened say in St. Louis and then Denver and then Charlotte, and then Milwaukee, etc. there would be much more hysteria, everywhere.

That's true, but this type of action requires fairly in-depth knowledge of the "terrain". Knowing when and where to shoot and then get away isn't easy, when you stack up so many incidents in such a short time.

293 posted on 10/11/2002 6:35:06 PM PDT by MortMan
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To: SunnyUsa
My real hope is that I am wrong. I would hate to think that by reporting the tarrot card, we had activated cells that could cause this terror throught the country.
294 posted on 10/11/2002 6:36:39 PM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: GoreNoMore
throught = through out
295 posted on 10/11/2002 6:37:43 PM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: Little Bush
Wow! Your angry white man analysis is really something else! You really think this?
297 posted on 10/11/2002 6:43:18 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: LSUfan
This is a very good post. Thank you for making us all think. I'm afraid you may be right.

Cindye

298 posted on 10/11/2002 6:43:40 PM PDT by OfByForThePeople
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To: ladyinred
"In fact, one of [the Al Fuqra] students shot and killed a young Deputy here..."

I had forgotten that. I certainly hope Al Fuqra is being looked at very, very closely.
299 posted on 10/11/2002 6:43:59 PM PDT by livius
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To: irish_lad
I don't think so. The guy(s) doing this are pretty smart with access to military weaponary (review the bullets used). Raghead terrorists are just too f*ckin stupid to elude police after 10 or so attacks.

You call people who pulled off what they did on 911 stupid? I think not. They were not the stupid ones.

300 posted on 10/11/2002 6:51:47 PM PDT by ladyinred
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