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I THINK THE SNIPERS ARE AL QAEDA
Various Cable Networks ^ | 11 October 2002 | Myself

Posted on 10/11/2002 1:40:39 PM PDT by LSUfan

I'm watching this sniper coverage on the cable networks and everyone is so sure that this is a nut of some sort: a gun nut, a military nut, a serial killer, etc.

But we have evidence to indicate that there is more than one. Two nuts? The President of the Marine Scout Sniper Assoc was just on MSNBC and said that he is sure that the shooter isn't alone because he doubts that anyone could stalk, lay-up, take the shot, egress and just drive off in his minivan.

So now they have all the wonderful psychological profilers on...including some 300 lb private detective...and they are all talking about this like these guys are deranged or disturbed. They all refer to "spree" killers and "serial" killers.

Excuse me, but I'd like to see the list of serial killing TEAMS in American history! And I'd like to learn more about the spree killers who take 10 shots, get 10 kills, including one within 50 yards of a state trooper in plain sight and then vanish without a trace.

These guys have training, motivation, and resources and they are operating as a team. The fact that they shot with the cop right there tells me they were totally confident. I believe they plan these like operations, script them, rehearse them, conduct recons and then execute them LIKE OPERATIONS.

Who does that sound like to you?

Why isn't the media even thinking about the Islamic terrorism angle?

Also: this sniper was taking a big chance with daylight attacks in an urban environment, including one with a cop in plain sight. That (to me) implies that he has area security and avenues of egress and methods of egress covered. That's a lot easier to do in a daylight urban scenario if you have a team, as opposed to a lone gunman.

The fact that these attacks occurred just as the tanker was blown up in Yemen also makes me suspicious. Not to mention the 1 year anniversary of Enduring Freedom.

Just talked to a close friend who is with a DC think tank and is also a retired Col. of Marines. He is tuned in to law enforcement in the DC area as well as he is also a director of a company that sells computer equipment designed for tactical and security use. He has personal and professional contacts with law enforcement in the DC area. Also, his wife was two blocks away from one of the shootings when it happened, and in fact when he heard that a woman in her 30s had been killed in that particular spot while vacuuming her vehicle, he was extremely worried, because that fit her description. He couldn't reach her by phone for a good 15 minutes.

In general: it should be remembered that the month of October was the month in which Sheikh Omar Abdel al-Rahman, OBL's favorite mullah, and a top OBL lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, were convicted in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Also, October was the month in which we started our assault on the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

These aren't some bad militia boys who got into some bad moonshine...these guys aren't shooting up the countryside. They're likely conducting recon, setting up their shots and bugging out to live to do it again. My friend tells me that terrorism is definitely on everyone's lips and minds and that the Feds have involved in this out the ying yang from the get go...BATF, FBI...even Secret Service because of the proximity to DC.

My buddy points out that Al Qaeda said specifically that it would target schools, so this might be the start of something.

GET THIS:

Two of the shots were HEAD SHOTS at a moving target at 150 meters. While a tourso shot at 150 meters is not a terribly hard shot for someone with training, a HEAD SHOT at 150 meters on a moving target would be a virtually impossible shot for a nut with no training. Next time you go to the gun show, take a look at the guy to your left and the guy to your right. Chances are, unless they grew up hunting or were in the military, you'd be pretty safe if they took a shot at you at 150yds while you were moving. Hint: Marines qualify out to the 500 yard line with the M16A2. That is what training will do. I qualified expert and am still an avid shooter today. I shoot a heavy barrel AR15A2 in 5.56mm and a National Match M1A in 7.62 NATO. I am NOT at all confident that I could get a head shot on a moving target at 150 meters. In fact...I would not even try. I would shoot center of mass. What all this indicates is a very highly trained shooter with good gear and most likely a spotter.

And GET THIS as well:

My buddy tells me that the FBI al Qaeda profilers have been predicting some sort of random attack as a contrast to 9-11. Something that sends the message: "no one anywhere is safe from us." al Qaeda has specifically said that they have the right to kill hundreds of thousands of "American children." This fits in with the critique of the al Qaeda training video that came out not long ago.

Here is another coincidence (?): In his Oct 4th column, Bill Gertz of the Washington Times said: "U.S. intelligence agencies received reports this week indicating Islamic terrorists have targeted American schools for attack, intelligence officials said. The reports indicate that the targeting includes plans to attack all levels of educational institutions in the United States, ranging from elementary schools to colleges and universities, said officials familiar with the reports." One of the victims was a 13 year old schoolboy.

Now REALLY GET THIS:

In the public release, law enforecemnt has not mentioned any race or ethnicity of the perps. But the unclassified bulletin that is being circulated by the Feds describes says that one of the local deputies got a description of two "Hispanics" but the feds think the guy just profiled them as Hispanics from law enforcement experience and that the two could easily be Middle Eastern. My buddy did not know if the deputy saw the perps himself or took a description from witnesses. The original vehicle was described as a white delivery van and today the suspect vehicle was a white Chevy Astro Van (but if these guys are pros like everyone thinks, neither vehicle will be showing up again).

A few more interesting insights from my friend:

The killer (or killers) must have felt secure in his surroundings. Most of the killings happened on or near busy main avenues during rush hour.

To say nothing of the fact that the region is crawling with law enforcement of every kind, being so close to the nation's capital.

Obviously it's someone who has murdered before or has been trained and conditioned to kill people. My buddy doubts many first-time killers, to say nothing of social outcasts or sickos, would have the nerve to kill with a single shot, then drive to another location within a half-hour, then kill again with another single shot.

Notably, all the areas of the killings are highly integrated racially. Had the killings been two miles west or south, they would have been in practically all-white or all-black neighborhoods, respectively, so a non-white/non-black killer (i.e., Middle Eastern) would not have been noticed in the areas in question.

Finally, the coincidental timing of these two incidents is another reason to suspect al Qaeda terrorism. Blow up a ship at the same time they're plinking away at innocent civilians...

If they haven't already done so, the cops and Feds need to bring in some guys from the Scout-Sniper School in Quantico to analyze this thing. Most law enforcement snipers don't think like the guys who did these horrible acts. And street cops certainly do not. The best way to get a sniper is with another sniper. The Marine snipers are the best in the world.


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KEYWORDS: alqaeda; copernicus2; sniper; terrorism
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To: LSUfan
Also note that the sniper is hitting all the gas stations in the area (multiple different store names) and the recent al qaeda bombing of a tanker.

Anyone with a few brain cells working should see how this may be islamic. There's still a chance that it's a home grown nut, but I really doubt it.
21 posted on 10/11/2002 1:52:14 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: LSUfan
Check this story out about police in northwest rousting middle-eaterners doing target practice 2 weeks ago.
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/279/nation/Suspects_in_terror_probe_drawn_from_rank_and_file+.shtml
22 posted on 10/11/2002 1:52:37 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: swarthyguy
If this is a terrorist plot, they would get much more mileage from using different groups in cities across the country. If this happened say in St. Louis and then Denver and then Charlotte, and then Milwaukee, etc. there would be much more hysteria, everywhere.

I know that we are cracking down on their organization, but I have to believe that there are sleeper cells here and that they could easily have cash to move about the country and communicate with each other, maybe through pre-paid cell phones.

I know that we can't discount the terrorist angle, but I would be somewhat surprised that is the case.
23 posted on 10/11/2002 1:52:47 PM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: RobFromGa
Swarthy Trucks.
24 posted on 10/11/2002 1:52:51 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: LSUfan
The longer this goes on, the more likely it is an enemy action or a provocative action rather than a lone nut or two. If it also starts up in other cities, then there won't be much doubt. The only part missing from the usual terrorist incident is no one has claimed the deeds. But it was a while before WTC911 was claimed, and even then it wasn't and still hasn't been claimed openly.
25 posted on 10/11/2002 1:53:27 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: KsSunflower
OK; it's all conjecture, but this is the Metro DC area, the nation's capital. Emotionally similar to NYC.
26 posted on 10/11/2002 1:54:15 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: LSUfan; ~Kim4VRWC's~; Joe Brower
LSUfan: You present a viable compelling theory....also chilling.


Kim: Please do the Mega ping.....thanks.

Joe: FYI
27 posted on 10/11/2002 1:54:20 PM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: TXBubba
How does the Tarot card fit into this theory?
28 posted on 10/11/2002 1:54:42 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: LSUfan
Looks to me like the Federal dragnet in Lackawanna,NY didn't get ALL the Muslim Democrat Terrorists.
29 posted on 10/11/2002 1:54:54 PM PDT by HP8753
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To: LSUfan
You may be on to something. I like the idea of bringing in some professional snipers, they may have a lot to offer. Someone is going to see something soon, if this keeps up. We are all looking now. We should install cameras everywhere possible. Also a plan to close off every artery around an area when a shooting happens. This guy or guys will make a mistake, imo.
30 posted on 10/11/2002 1:54:55 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: LSUfan
'ya think?
31 posted on 10/11/2002 1:55:01 PM PDT by Mary's Child
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To: swarthyguy
I know, I don't totally disagree with you.

As I said, I would be somewhat surprised, but certainly not totally, mainly because of the DC connection you mentioned.
32 posted on 10/11/2002 1:55:29 PM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: LSUfan
I don't have a problem with the terrorist scenario, but why only one area?
I would've thought they'd want to create as much mayhem at once as possible, and coordinate their attacks for maximum impact and chaos.
33 posted on 10/11/2002 1:55:47 PM PDT by Marauder
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To: LSUfan
100% in agreement, former Marine here as well.

It takes a sniper to kill a sniper.

It's time for the President to covertly deploy our boys.

The Tarrot card said, "Dear Policeman, I am God"

Islaminazi Terrorists believe that they are under the direction of Allah, that they are, in fact, the hand of God on earth - eradicating the infidels.

Frankly, the tarrot card nailed it as a 90% terrorist operation for me.

34 posted on 10/11/2002 1:57:31 PM PDT by PokeyJoe
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To: RobFromGa
It's not an urban myth, but it actually happened about a year ago...shortly after 911. These guys were practicing at a remote quarry in WA and caught the attention of locals who called the police.

Though they were all ultimately released after that incident, it led to a series of events which exposed the cell in Portland (after a year long stake out and investigation).
36 posted on 10/11/2002 1:57:56 PM PDT by Route66
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To: LSUfan
I've had this on my mind since the shooting on Monday.
Disciplined enough to hold in check for two days and then start again.
Proficient enough that one shot hits the target.
Proficient enough to ingress an area with a rifle unnoticed.
Proficient enough to egress an area AFTER a shooting with a rifle unnoticed.
Unworried that there is a LEO in the area.

It doesn't seem that a serial killer would hit like this.
These are planned, perhaps rehearsed, actions. Timing, action, preparedness, maybe training, certainly practice with the rifle.

Wait for it to start in other areas.

Give me my 2nd amendmant rights!

37 posted on 10/11/2002 1:58:14 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: swarthyguy
"Nailing the local economy in the area."

Everyone I know (including me) is thinking twice about walking through any open parking lot (stores, restaurants)...not to mention visiting gas stations; or letting the kids play outside. (Thank the Lord for the rain)

This IS starting to feel like something more than the "average nut". Whoever is doing this is circling the capital and bringing this entire area to a "psychological lockdown".

I hope whoever it is..is stopped soon.

38 posted on 10/11/2002 1:58:22 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: RobFromGa; swarthyguy
I wished I had saved the thread about a terrorist training camp found in rural Alabama, complete with what was described as a modern 300 yard firing range. I'll search for it.

Matter of fact, IIRC, complaints of constant shooting is what got the LE ball rolling on that case.

39 posted on 10/11/2002 1:58:50 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: PokeyJoe
Would an Islamic say "I am god" or "I am Allah?"
40 posted on 10/11/2002 1:58:53 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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