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I THINK THE SNIPERS ARE AL QAEDA
Various Cable Networks ^ | 11 October 2002 | Myself

Posted on 10/11/2002 1:40:39 PM PDT by LSUfan

I'm watching this sniper coverage on the cable networks and everyone is so sure that this is a nut of some sort: a gun nut, a military nut, a serial killer, etc.

But we have evidence to indicate that there is more than one. Two nuts? The President of the Marine Scout Sniper Assoc was just on MSNBC and said that he is sure that the shooter isn't alone because he doubts that anyone could stalk, lay-up, take the shot, egress and just drive off in his minivan.

So now they have all the wonderful psychological profilers on...including some 300 lb private detective...and they are all talking about this like these guys are deranged or disturbed. They all refer to "spree" killers and "serial" killers.

Excuse me, but I'd like to see the list of serial killing TEAMS in American history! And I'd like to learn more about the spree killers who take 10 shots, get 10 kills, including one within 50 yards of a state trooper in plain sight and then vanish without a trace.

These guys have training, motivation, and resources and they are operating as a team. The fact that they shot with the cop right there tells me they were totally confident. I believe they plan these like operations, script them, rehearse them, conduct recons and then execute them LIKE OPERATIONS.

Who does that sound like to you?

Why isn't the media even thinking about the Islamic terrorism angle?

Also: this sniper was taking a big chance with daylight attacks in an urban environment, including one with a cop in plain sight. That (to me) implies that he has area security and avenues of egress and methods of egress covered. That's a lot easier to do in a daylight urban scenario if you have a team, as opposed to a lone gunman.

The fact that these attacks occurred just as the tanker was blown up in Yemen also makes me suspicious. Not to mention the 1 year anniversary of Enduring Freedom.

Just talked to a close friend who is with a DC think tank and is also a retired Col. of Marines. He is tuned in to law enforcement in the DC area as well as he is also a director of a company that sells computer equipment designed for tactical and security use. He has personal and professional contacts with law enforcement in the DC area. Also, his wife was two blocks away from one of the shootings when it happened, and in fact when he heard that a woman in her 30s had been killed in that particular spot while vacuuming her vehicle, he was extremely worried, because that fit her description. He couldn't reach her by phone for a good 15 minutes.

In general: it should be remembered that the month of October was the month in which Sheikh Omar Abdel al-Rahman, OBL's favorite mullah, and a top OBL lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, were convicted in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Also, October was the month in which we started our assault on the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

These aren't some bad militia boys who got into some bad moonshine...these guys aren't shooting up the countryside. They're likely conducting recon, setting up their shots and bugging out to live to do it again. My friend tells me that terrorism is definitely on everyone's lips and minds and that the Feds have involved in this out the ying yang from the get go...BATF, FBI...even Secret Service because of the proximity to DC.

My buddy points out that Al Qaeda said specifically that it would target schools, so this might be the start of something.

GET THIS:

Two of the shots were HEAD SHOTS at a moving target at 150 meters. While a tourso shot at 150 meters is not a terribly hard shot for someone with training, a HEAD SHOT at 150 meters on a moving target would be a virtually impossible shot for a nut with no training. Next time you go to the gun show, take a look at the guy to your left and the guy to your right. Chances are, unless they grew up hunting or were in the military, you'd be pretty safe if they took a shot at you at 150yds while you were moving. Hint: Marines qualify out to the 500 yard line with the M16A2. That is what training will do. I qualified expert and am still an avid shooter today. I shoot a heavy barrel AR15A2 in 5.56mm and a National Match M1A in 7.62 NATO. I am NOT at all confident that I could get a head shot on a moving target at 150 meters. In fact...I would not even try. I would shoot center of mass. What all this indicates is a very highly trained shooter with good gear and most likely a spotter.

And GET THIS as well:

My buddy tells me that the FBI al Qaeda profilers have been predicting some sort of random attack as a contrast to 9-11. Something that sends the message: "no one anywhere is safe from us." al Qaeda has specifically said that they have the right to kill hundreds of thousands of "American children." This fits in with the critique of the al Qaeda training video that came out not long ago.

Here is another coincidence (?): In his Oct 4th column, Bill Gertz of the Washington Times said: "U.S. intelligence agencies received reports this week indicating Islamic terrorists have targeted American schools for attack, intelligence officials said. The reports indicate that the targeting includes plans to attack all levels of educational institutions in the United States, ranging from elementary schools to colleges and universities, said officials familiar with the reports." One of the victims was a 13 year old schoolboy.

Now REALLY GET THIS:

In the public release, law enforecemnt has not mentioned any race or ethnicity of the perps. But the unclassified bulletin that is being circulated by the Feds describes says that one of the local deputies got a description of two "Hispanics" but the feds think the guy just profiled them as Hispanics from law enforcement experience and that the two could easily be Middle Eastern. My buddy did not know if the deputy saw the perps himself or took a description from witnesses. The original vehicle was described as a white delivery van and today the suspect vehicle was a white Chevy Astro Van (but if these guys are pros like everyone thinks, neither vehicle will be showing up again).

A few more interesting insights from my friend:

The killer (or killers) must have felt secure in his surroundings. Most of the killings happened on or near busy main avenues during rush hour.

To say nothing of the fact that the region is crawling with law enforcement of every kind, being so close to the nation's capital.

Obviously it's someone who has murdered before or has been trained and conditioned to kill people. My buddy doubts many first-time killers, to say nothing of social outcasts or sickos, would have the nerve to kill with a single shot, then drive to another location within a half-hour, then kill again with another single shot.

Notably, all the areas of the killings are highly integrated racially. Had the killings been two miles west or south, they would have been in practically all-white or all-black neighborhoods, respectively, so a non-white/non-black killer (i.e., Middle Eastern) would not have been noticed in the areas in question.

Finally, the coincidental timing of these two incidents is another reason to suspect al Qaeda terrorism. Blow up a ship at the same time they're plinking away at innocent civilians...

If they haven't already done so, the cops and Feds need to bring in some guys from the Scout-Sniper School in Quantico to analyze this thing. Most law enforcement snipers don't think like the guys who did these horrible acts. And street cops certainly do not. The best way to get a sniper is with another sniper. The Marine snipers are the best in the world.


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KEYWORDS: alqaeda; copernicus2; sniper; terrorism
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To: LSUfan
Al Queda.

Add the fact that it is happening around the DC area. Also the consistent reports of two men. The phrasing of the note on the tarot card "Mr. Policeman". The timing in relation to the recent announcement of attacks by Al zahwiri or whatever his name is.....And the deliberate movement from place to place. I think Al Queda is a really good guess.

If these jokers are not caught soon, they will either go to ground or they will move to NYC or Boston.

101 posted on 10/11/2002 2:32:34 PM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: austingirl
hence...

tell me you have stopped watching cnn, yes?

:o)
102 posted on 10/11/2002 2:33:40 PM PDT by glock rocks
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To: LSUfan
I hope your right and it is a Terrorist. At any rate how can anyone argue it's not terrorism. It certainly is terrorism. Take it from a Northern Virginian. I'm not scared, but there is plenty of talk about folks not filling the gas tank for sure.
I have a feeling it's gonna be a worst case scenario though. White middle aged male republican NRA member gun nut. Unfortunately. Disturbingly and predictably, the liberals can't even wait until the bodies are cold to jump on the NRA. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend's soft money ad's errrrr supporters ad's are proof of that.
103 posted on 10/11/2002 2:34:52 PM PDT by ottersnot
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To: Junior
possible that the sniper or snipers are firing from inside the windowless cargo areas, and not the passenger windows, of the vehicles.

How do you fire out of the windowless part of a van?

104 posted on 10/11/2002 2:35:14 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I think they're Al Quaeda also. If it is AQ, then they are enjoying the "white male" profile that is being floated by the media. I think they are somewhat targeting blacks to reinforce that it's a racist, white male. Who is more pure evil than Al Quaeda? Who switches vehicles and works in groups and knows guerilla warfare? And, not a single footstep or tire squeal.
105 posted on 10/11/2002 2:38:05 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: LibWhacker
I agree. I've said all along that if 50 million people hadn't been watching on tv, the institutional guardians of the God of Political Correctness would've tried to tell us that 9/11 was an accident.

This is why the wackos crashed *two* planes on 9/11. Had it been only one faulty guidance system, weather, hydraulics or whatever (center fuel tank anyone?) would have been given as the 'excuse du jour'.

106 posted on 10/11/2002 2:38:40 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: LSUfan
The anthrax came from Ft. Detrick Md. and was not an Al Qaeda operation.
107 posted on 10/11/2002 2:41:02 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: glock rocks
Believe me, I only watch CNN when I am trapped on the treadmill at the health club - at least some days some good soul switches to channel to Fox. The TVs are only accessible by the staff. I try to look at it as doing research on the enemy, ;-)
108 posted on 10/11/2002 2:42:47 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: Alouette
I was thinking of Agatha Christie.
109 posted on 10/11/2002 2:44:24 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: LSUfan
OK. Here is the scenario. Rip it apart if you can. 8 man team; 4 drivers, 4 shooters. 4 vehicles, a white delivery van, a white Chevy Astro, an enclosed white delivery truck, a 1994 blue Taurus.

Each hit requires the "hot" driver and shooter to be in the Taurus. Two of the other vehicles are driven by other teams. The last "hot" team sits out. One of the "cold" shooters is the target man, he picks the target then signals "go" to the "hot" shooter. When the shooter fires, the other two vehicles take off in opposite directions. A slow 60 count, and the "hot" vehicle drives away.

Mercenary Unit, not all any one race.

There you go, let's hear why it can't work.

110 posted on 10/11/2002 2:45:19 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: swarthyguy
Perhaps two teams; i think the white truck is a red herring. Shoots from one vehicle and then moves into another.

Yes, white truck drives off and pulls attention away from shooter who stays behind and leaves unnoticed. If truck is stopped, the driver has no signs of involvement.

Just like a stage magician. Create a diversion with one hand while the other does the "trick".

111 posted on 10/11/2002 2:45:21 PM PDT by varon
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To: LSUfan
Could be plausible that it's terrorists. My first thoughts were either A) terrorists or B) white male 30's-50's. Also, about that Tarot Card... not an actual Tarot card reader... The DEATH card is not as bad as the 10 of SWORDS. Death means endings and new beginnings. 10 of SWORDS means death, dying, feeling the pain. So this dumbass isn't as "bright" as he'd like to think of himself.
112 posted on 10/11/2002 2:47:50 PM PDT by Little Bush
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To: RAT Patrol
How does the Tarot card fit into this theory?

The perp(s) is smart, and obviously taunting law enforcement. Whoever it is, they are familiar with other serial killings, and what the cops are looking for, based on those serial killers. Since this perp(s) hasn't fit the pattern or known motive of any past killer, the card was left in mockery of the police.

The result -- terrorism -- certainly fits the goal of Islamists, but the cleverness, advance planning and ability to disappear doesn't fit any past al-Qaeda operative. A new paradigm? A gun for hire? A skilled convert? Where's Scott Ritter?

113 posted on 10/11/2002 2:48:01 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: austingirl
Yep, I even remember some guy on FOX raising that possibility; i.e., that it all might be some horrible coincidence. But he was quickly swatted down by the other announcer. Just shows you how ingrained PC-ness is in this country. Thank God there were millions of witnesses.

Too bad there aren't millions of witnesses in these shootings. Officialdom simply cannot face up to reality when it clashes with their most cherished beliefs.

114 posted on 10/11/2002 2:48:15 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: DBtoo
They could say "I am god" to make fun of the Christian or Jewish religion. (such as this is what we think of your god). I think it's AQ and it seems to me when cops have middle eastern leanings, they choose to label the suspects as hispanic instead. They won't profile any further than that.

The good news is that October Lewis won't be out on bail after all from the Oregon cell. Sorry, honey, you can sit in jail forever.

115 posted on 10/11/2002 2:48:28 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: LSUfan
Geraldo on FoxNews just implied that the shooter(s) may be related to "foreign affairs." He went on to say, he thinks the FEDs think that same thing.
116 posted on 10/11/2002 2:48:56 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: RobFromGa
But of course1 That way "people of cover" will not be rousted, even if they are terrorists!
117 posted on 10/11/2002 2:49:38 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: floriduh voter
That seems logical..and what about the 'white' members of AQ?
118 posted on 10/11/2002 2:50:32 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: pfflier
What about the mantra "War for oil" the anti-war crowd's been saying? Maybe they got their catchy slogan from a cell. All the gas stations says war for oil to me.
119 posted on 10/11/2002 2:50:47 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: browardchad
The DEATH Tarot card has the meaning of endings and new beginnings. Not the worst card you could get... if you're looking for new beginnings. The 10 of SWORDS is the WORST card you can get. This depicts a man lying on his back, bleeding to death with 10 swords stuck in him. He is feeling the pain of dying, but cannot get out of it. If this cracker lays that card down, I'd know he's a little more new-agey than at first. Also, since he did not use the 10 of SWORDS, this leads me to believe this guy's trying to make himself look smarter than he really is. By "knowing" something he DOESN'T!!!
120 posted on 10/11/2002 2:50:54 PM PDT by Little Bush
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