Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

I THINK THE SNIPERS ARE AL QAEDA
Various Cable Networks ^ | 11 October 2002 | Myself

Posted on 10/11/2002 1:40:39 PM PDT by LSUfan

I'm watching this sniper coverage on the cable networks and everyone is so sure that this is a nut of some sort: a gun nut, a military nut, a serial killer, etc.

But we have evidence to indicate that there is more than one. Two nuts? The President of the Marine Scout Sniper Assoc was just on MSNBC and said that he is sure that the shooter isn't alone because he doubts that anyone could stalk, lay-up, take the shot, egress and just drive off in his minivan.

So now they have all the wonderful psychological profilers on...including some 300 lb private detective...and they are all talking about this like these guys are deranged or disturbed. They all refer to "spree" killers and "serial" killers.

Excuse me, but I'd like to see the list of serial killing TEAMS in American history! And I'd like to learn more about the spree killers who take 10 shots, get 10 kills, including one within 50 yards of a state trooper in plain sight and then vanish without a trace.

These guys have training, motivation, and resources and they are operating as a team. The fact that they shot with the cop right there tells me they were totally confident. I believe they plan these like operations, script them, rehearse them, conduct recons and then execute them LIKE OPERATIONS.

Who does that sound like to you?

Why isn't the media even thinking about the Islamic terrorism angle?

Also: this sniper was taking a big chance with daylight attacks in an urban environment, including one with a cop in plain sight. That (to me) implies that he has area security and avenues of egress and methods of egress covered. That's a lot easier to do in a daylight urban scenario if you have a team, as opposed to a lone gunman.

The fact that these attacks occurred just as the tanker was blown up in Yemen also makes me suspicious. Not to mention the 1 year anniversary of Enduring Freedom.

Just talked to a close friend who is with a DC think tank and is also a retired Col. of Marines. He is tuned in to law enforcement in the DC area as well as he is also a director of a company that sells computer equipment designed for tactical and security use. He has personal and professional contacts with law enforcement in the DC area. Also, his wife was two blocks away from one of the shootings when it happened, and in fact when he heard that a woman in her 30s had been killed in that particular spot while vacuuming her vehicle, he was extremely worried, because that fit her description. He couldn't reach her by phone for a good 15 minutes.

In general: it should be remembered that the month of October was the month in which Sheikh Omar Abdel al-Rahman, OBL's favorite mullah, and a top OBL lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, were convicted in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Also, October was the month in which we started our assault on the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

These aren't some bad militia boys who got into some bad moonshine...these guys aren't shooting up the countryside. They're likely conducting recon, setting up their shots and bugging out to live to do it again. My friend tells me that terrorism is definitely on everyone's lips and minds and that the Feds have involved in this out the ying yang from the get go...BATF, FBI...even Secret Service because of the proximity to DC.

My buddy points out that Al Qaeda said specifically that it would target schools, so this might be the start of something.

GET THIS:

Two of the shots were HEAD SHOTS at a moving target at 150 meters. While a tourso shot at 150 meters is not a terribly hard shot for someone with training, a HEAD SHOT at 150 meters on a moving target would be a virtually impossible shot for a nut with no training. Next time you go to the gun show, take a look at the guy to your left and the guy to your right. Chances are, unless they grew up hunting or were in the military, you'd be pretty safe if they took a shot at you at 150yds while you were moving. Hint: Marines qualify out to the 500 yard line with the M16A2. That is what training will do. I qualified expert and am still an avid shooter today. I shoot a heavy barrel AR15A2 in 5.56mm and a National Match M1A in 7.62 NATO. I am NOT at all confident that I could get a head shot on a moving target at 150 meters. In fact...I would not even try. I would shoot center of mass. What all this indicates is a very highly trained shooter with good gear and most likely a spotter.

And GET THIS as well:

My buddy tells me that the FBI al Qaeda profilers have been predicting some sort of random attack as a contrast to 9-11. Something that sends the message: "no one anywhere is safe from us." al Qaeda has specifically said that they have the right to kill hundreds of thousands of "American children." This fits in with the critique of the al Qaeda training video that came out not long ago.

Here is another coincidence (?): In his Oct 4th column, Bill Gertz of the Washington Times said: "U.S. intelligence agencies received reports this week indicating Islamic terrorists have targeted American schools for attack, intelligence officials said. The reports indicate that the targeting includes plans to attack all levels of educational institutions in the United States, ranging from elementary schools to colleges and universities, said officials familiar with the reports." One of the victims was a 13 year old schoolboy.

Now REALLY GET THIS:

In the public release, law enforecemnt has not mentioned any race or ethnicity of the perps. But the unclassified bulletin that is being circulated by the Feds describes says that one of the local deputies got a description of two "Hispanics" but the feds think the guy just profiled them as Hispanics from law enforcement experience and that the two could easily be Middle Eastern. My buddy did not know if the deputy saw the perps himself or took a description from witnesses. The original vehicle was described as a white delivery van and today the suspect vehicle was a white Chevy Astro Van (but if these guys are pros like everyone thinks, neither vehicle will be showing up again).

A few more interesting insights from my friend:

The killer (or killers) must have felt secure in his surroundings. Most of the killings happened on or near busy main avenues during rush hour.

To say nothing of the fact that the region is crawling with law enforcement of every kind, being so close to the nation's capital.

Obviously it's someone who has murdered before or has been trained and conditioned to kill people. My buddy doubts many first-time killers, to say nothing of social outcasts or sickos, would have the nerve to kill with a single shot, then drive to another location within a half-hour, then kill again with another single shot.

Notably, all the areas of the killings are highly integrated racially. Had the killings been two miles west or south, they would have been in practically all-white or all-black neighborhoods, respectively, so a non-white/non-black killer (i.e., Middle Eastern) would not have been noticed in the areas in question.

Finally, the coincidental timing of these two incidents is another reason to suspect al Qaeda terrorism. Blow up a ship at the same time they're plinking away at innocent civilians...

If they haven't already done so, the cops and Feds need to bring in some guys from the Scout-Sniper School in Quantico to analyze this thing. Most law enforcement snipers don't think like the guys who did these horrible acts. And street cops certainly do not. The best way to get a sniper is with another sniper. The Marine snipers are the best in the world.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; copernicus2; sniper; terrorism
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 381-395 next last
To: All
Hubby is ex-cop and a "words matter" guy. He came up with giving attention to the beginning of the sniper's note: "Dear Policeman."

1) When you learn another language, you always learn the more formal ways of speech, rather than the slangs, first. "Dear" and "Policeman" definitely fall into these more formal references.

Also,

2) "PoliceMAN" - who (especially if the profilers believe that this person(s) are aged 20 - 30 still uses THAT reference... and speaks in the totally non-P.C. "man" reference, rather than "Officer?"

And,

3) I would like to add that perhaps thought should be given to the majority of the shootings happening around "oil" supplies...gas...hmm...now let's see, who has the oil, and who buys the oil.

I think these three points are valuable.

61 posted on 10/11/2002 2:08:28 PM PDT by NordP
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PokeyJoe
Queso --

So now we can call Osama's followers Quesadillas.
62 posted on 10/11/2002 2:08:30 PM PDT by swarthyguy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
I have been wondering about that card. The term "Dear Policeman" strikes me as unnatural. Most Americans refer to them as Cops, Police Officers, the police,, etc...It tipped me off that the use of the formal term is at least a hint that the person who wrote it is not comfortable in the language.

Maybe wrong, but gut says middle east males between the ages of 19 and 40.
63 posted on 10/11/2002 2:10:16 PM PDT by prov1813man
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: LSUfan
I think he's a Kazinsky (sp?) style, cold blooded killer. He's also very quick to take advantage of a situation. The first victims were killed in a short period of time and seemingly random, so he didn't sit around and plan them in detail (like you would an assassination). He must be either trained professionally or self-trained by reading books, etc. How else would he be able to plan a clean entry and exit in such a short period of time???
64 posted on 10/11/2002 2:11:32 PM PDT by mikegi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lokibob
If I were a terrorist, I would terrorize a wide area. A few killings in Md, then move on to another urban area. AQ has the funds to move them around the country. If it is an unfunded terrorist, he has to stay in the Md. area. No money.

If he has enough money to buy a rifle and ammo, he has enough for a tank of gas. $20 worth of gas will get him several states away.

If terror is the object, then his best bet is to shoot up the DC area for a few more days, then show up in NY. Think of the uproar when some rich upper-east-side woman gets popped walking her dog, with the shot taken from the Central Park treeline

65 posted on 10/11/2002 2:13:29 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: JulieRNR21; Route66; Peach; Bella; Pete; areafiftyone; brigette; harpseal; Merovingian; ...
You got it Juli,

Maryland watch ping
66 posted on 10/11/2002 2:13:33 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: swarthyguy
yeah, i've been calling them ragheads Al Queso for some time now.

Actually, I've also been calling Osama's followers "democrats." =) but quesadillas works for me too.

67 posted on 10/11/2002 2:13:33 PM PDT by PokeyJoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
If you ask me, Al Qaeda was behind the anthrax attacks. They almost had to write a note in that case to deliver it in the mail. Too many coincidences...some of the hijackers lived very close to the first victim. New Jersey has an active Islamic extremist population. One of the hijackers sought medical care for a lesion that is consistent with anthrax and another consulted a pharmacist about burning, red hands, also consistent with anthrax. And I think Al Qaeda got the anthrax from Iraq, who we know had the Iowa strain.
68 posted on 10/11/2002 2:14:05 PM PDT by LSUfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: Monty22
With every shooting..we get closer and closer to the only explanation..Internaltional Terrorism.

Above someone asks why stay in the same place? Think about the residents of Maryland and Northern VA. Government workers, media, lobbyists, defense, intellegence, law enforcement personnel, all high value targets. Think about the phycological effect of having a sniper roaming just outside the capital, the center of power in the world.

To spread terror it's not required to move from city to city. Terror is spread every minute by the media. I'll bet that as soon as these b*stards are caught, we'll see this happen in another city and so on.

I say deploy the National Guard to augement the local police departments.
69 posted on 10/11/2002 2:14:06 PM PDT by tonyinv
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: LSUfan
I think it's either a nut or a black ops operation, but you could be right, may be Al Qaeda. We are living in very strange times so it's hard to know just what is really going on.
70 posted on 10/11/2002 2:14:51 PM PDT by DBtoo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
The anthrax person left notes, but we've never know Osama's maniac killers to do it.

I think the Anthrax was AQ too, so I am not sure that the Tarot card is out of character.

71 posted on 10/11/2002 2:15:11 PM PDT by RobFromGa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: LSUfan
While I don't disagree with your general premise (I posted it myself on FR a week ago), you should check some of your "facts".

10 shots, 10 kills? Actually it's 10 shots, 8 kills or 11 shots 9 kills, if today's is connected.

Moving targets? Head shots to "moving targets"? Of the first victims, in Montgomery County, the only one with a head wound was the woman sitting on the bench, outside the post office.

None of the targets were moving. They were all standing, pumping gas, vacuuming a car, sitting on a bench. The shots could be done at 150 yards by virtually anyone after a week's practice.

Perhaps that's why the shooter goes for "stationary" targets. They don't need a lot of expertise.
72 posted on 10/11/2002 2:17:47 PM PDT by jackbill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lokibob
"If it is an unfunded terrorist, he has to stay in the Md. area. No money."

Maybe he/they aren't familiar with the other metro areas.
73 posted on 10/11/2002 2:18:10 PM PDT by landerwy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: LSUfan
The fact that they shot with the cop right there

I'm with you. These terrorists who are willing to commit suicide have nothing to fear from policemen. Of course they want to get away so can can continue to fulfill their "mission". But I mean, they have no personal fear of being caught like home-grown wackos.
74 posted on 10/11/2002 2:20:33 PM PDT by plain talk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LSUfan
Who does that sound like to you?

I'd like to hear what Jeffrey Deaver, Patricia Cornwall and James Patterson think about these shootings. They have all written mystery-suspense novels with similar scenarios. Of course, this begs the question, since these people are fiction writers who made up their stories and so had control over the (fictional) situation.

I wonder if the shooters have read any of these books.

75 posted on 10/11/2002 2:20:55 PM PDT by Alouette
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: LSUfan
I agree. I've said all along that if 50 million people hadn't been watching on tv, the institutional guardians of the God of Political Correctness would've tried to tell us that 9/11 was an accident.

And here we are in the middle of a war and they are still diddling around with the forensic analysis of bullet fragments and setting up tip lines. Did Patton diddle around with fingerprints?

Dubya should call out the National Guard and ROUND UP THE RAGHEADS, NOW! This is a military matter, not a police matter. Always has been.

76 posted on 10/11/2002 2:21:22 PM PDT by LibWhacker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jackbill
I have seen two reports of head shots, including the one last night. A head shot is almost always a moving target. We don't realize how much we move our heads, even when we're at rest. The muscles and tendons and ligaments in the neck are many and so articulated that heads are very animated and almost always a harder shot.

I stand corrected: 11 shots 11 HITS.
77 posted on 10/11/2002 2:21:50 PM PDT by LSUfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: LSUfan
BILL GERTZ TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW ON JOHN GIBSON'S SHOW!!
78 posted on 10/11/2002 2:22:39 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: LSUfan
Gertz on FoxNews now...possibility (theory) could be al-Qaeda.
79 posted on 10/11/2002 2:23:17 PM PDT by TomGuy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LSUfan
Bill Gertz on John Gibson "Big Story" discussing this RIGHT NOW
80 posted on 10/11/2002 2:23:26 PM PDT by glock rocks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 381-395 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson