Posted on 10/07/2002 5:42:23 AM PDT by DCBryan1
13 year old boy shot infront of school. Police scanners on!
Starkweather didn't go looking to people to shoot, other than the intial shooting of family members that is. After that he shot whoever got in the way, or whoever they thought was in the way. One of the bodies was dumped about a 1/2 mile from where my brother lives now, although that was out in the country then. My Dad and a buddy had reported to the police that the gas station where the guy crossed paths with Charlie was deserted and wide open. The place is now, as then, the site of a typical "Stop and Rob", although typical then, and typical now are considerably different.
Whitman was a one incident deal too. These guys are preplaning (although Whitman did that too) and executing the plan over and over again. A totally different M.O., and very atypical for a nutcase, let alone two nutcases (assuming there are two, but apparently some evidence points in that direction).
The 'Amber Alert' was developed in Texas by Dee Anderson while he was with the Arlington, Texas Police Department. It's named after a little girl named Amber Haggerman.
It's been in use and *effective* here (in Texas) for a LOT more than just a year ...
Well the boxes say "dangerous to 1 mile" (or that may be 1 1/2 miles, I don't have one handy). 75 yards isn't a stretch, but an exit wound the size of a coffee cup would be highly unlikely. You have to understand that a .223 is a ".22" also, just not a .22 rimfire, which is what most people mean when say ".22". If you only got a fragment, and didn't get the jacket which a .22 (rimfire) wouldn't even have, a doctor might mistake a fragement of a .223 for a .22, but the mistake wouldn't last long after the forensics people got it.
There is a difference between vigilantism and mutual self defense. Putting riflemen on top of schools and shopping centers (or around them) would not be vigilantism. Even a posse, organized by and/or operating under the auspices of the local Sherriff, would not be vigilantism. It would however be anti statist, and so is quite unlikely to occur, at least in those parts. If had been in much of flyover country, there would already be citizen patrols, on horseback, 4WD, and on foot as required, searching for these scrotes. It's what's known as the posse. It goes back to England, and other countries also to some extent, well before any English colonies existed in the New World.
I keep pondering the "invisible sniper" and have developed a pistol mindset and a "student type" with a backpack.
He walks to the pre-determined site from a vehicle in the next Mall over where his partner can also view the victim area and may even be talking to the sniper (now on foot) with a walkie talkie (especially after the hit)..telling him where the cops are and what to avoid.
He walks back to the vehicle with his backpack and one spent casing. The vehicle must be in some position to make a choice of highways.
I'm just trying to picture what the whole Thursday run looks like and what's necessary to pull it off.
I no longer think they are from Maryland but have cased the the areas all around Washington for several months. The end game must be the Capitol Mall. I can't see anything else.
Are we being duped to believe this will always the range of their hits??
Sac
Something of an exaggeration, but the truth is nasty enough. They don't "tumble end over end", they "yaw" with the length of the yaw cycle being on the order of 9-15 inches, and that's only for a 1/2 a rotation, at which point they tend to break into two major pieces. A bullet going sideways through you, a fairly long bullet at that, will not exactly make your day. Plus it dumps alot of energy/momentum into the target, resulting in large "stretch" or temporary cavilty, which can also tear up stuff the bullet doesn't even hit directly. Usually it doesn't, but it can, especially if less flexible tissue, like the liver, is struck.
Don't rush off to ANY conclusions until the facts are in -
- we had a natural gas explosion out near the airport at a major hotel a few years ago - near the pool area (where people were, at the time, making use of that facility) of all places!
Turns out that people *had* smelled gas in the area and it was determined, after inspecttion, that a gas explosion had indeed occured ...
Not so very much. Typical .22 LR has 40 grain bullet. .223 is usualy 55 or 62 grains, but can be a little larger. It's the muzzle velocity, and bullet shape , that makes the difference.
What is the max muzzle velocity from a pistol versus a rifle?
Now, bear in mind that kinetic energy = 1/2*mv2 (i.e., kinetic energy varies proportionately to the *square* of the velocity) meaning a LOT more energy is imparted to the bullet when a 223 round is fired from a rifle as opposed to a pistol ...
I think forensic tests/examinations are capable of estimating the KE and therefore the muzzle vel thereby judging the firing weapon's type (pistol/rifle) ...
Could be single shot, either break action, falling block, etc.
Good for you. Those of us in other parts of the country can only imagine how tough this must be -- we're praying for you.
Maybe they can tell the bullets are all from the same lot? Spectroscopic analysys of the lead (or steel!) core and jacket material might be able to tell you that. The same rifle could be problematic, even telling it was the same type of rifle could be difficult. And clearly they can't tell that, else they'd have ID'd the type, rather than laying out a table full of "possibles".
But to defend the next potential victim less so. Even if a suppressor is being used, or the gun is being fired from inside a vehicle, there is some firing signature. Especially at night, but also during the day. Puff of smoke, a "pop" or such as that. If an armed someone is in the right place to see or hear that, then the potential for stopping these guys goes up. If nothing else their vehicle gets "marked" (better yet diabled), and that would help the police find and apprehend or kill them.
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