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Democrats Are Trying to Neutralize Gun Supporters
NewsMAX ^ | Tuesday, Sept. 10, 2002 | Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com

Posted on 09/19/2002 3:23:35 PM PDT by vannrox

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Democrats Are Trying to Neutralize Gun Supporters

Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Sept. 10, 2002

Democrats are beginning to understand that being anti-gun can cost gun control advocates an election, a lesson learned the hard way by Al Gore in the 2000 elections when gun owner’s opposition cost him enough votes to hand George Bush his victory. Gore they note, even lost his home state of Tennessee largely on the gun issue.

As a result of this sudden revelation, Democrat candidates are trying their best to show that they are as quick on the draw when it comes to supporting Second Amendment gun rights as their Republican opponents, according to the New York Times.

And shocked gun control supporters are trying to convince Democrats that the tide has not turned against them, falling back on their now discredited claim that most gun ownership advocates are a small minority composed largely of what they see as poor white males living in an unsophisticated rural America.

It’s a tactic that’s clearly not working.



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To: vannrox
I don't trust 'em. A Democrat with a gun is nothing more than a photo opportunist. They'll hold the gun until election time, and then vote to take (yours) away.
21 posted on 09/19/2002 6:37:33 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: vannrox; RFP; mountaineer; PhiKapMom; rdf; Keyes For President; Registered; ~EagleNebula~; ...
West Virginia U.S. Senate Race

NRA Rating:

Democrat Senator Jay Rockefeller - 'F'

Republican Senate Nominee (and FReeper) Jay Wolfe - 'A'

Pretty hard for John D. Rockefeller IV to run away from that!

This is the issue that beat Gore here in 2000, giving Bush the election--and this very well may be the issue that elects a fellow FReeper on November 5th as well.

As everyone down here is saying:

Isn't it time for a new Jay in West Virginia? ;-)

Friends of Jay Wolfe
P.O. Box 364
Salem, WV 26426

22 posted on 09/19/2002 6:42:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: sneakypete
Dolt didn't want to take a chance on losing any of the gun-grabber votes,and thought he would get the votes of the gun owners regardless.

I don't know what needs to happen to change Republican Party Leadership, but if trends continue it won't matter what party's in office since neither will support the Second Amendment.

IMHO, it's good to have as many Republicans in power as possible provided that there aren't so many RINOs that the Republican leadership goes leftward. It may well be better, though, to have the Senate split 55% Dem, 15% RINO, and 30% conservative than 35% Dem, 35% RINO, and 30% 30% conservative. In the former case, the conservatives would have strong enough control over the Republican Party that the party itself could filibuster anything bad the Dems tried to put through. In the latter case, the party's leadership would go along with the bad stuff and so the Dems would be able to pass it even with "only" 35% of the vote.

23 posted on 09/19/2002 6:42:51 PM PDT by supercat
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To: monkeyshine
I don't trust 'em. A Democrat with a gun is nothing more than a photo opportunist. They'll hold the gun until election time, and then vote to take (yours) away.

True of many, but not all. Illinois Democratic gubernatorial candidate Glenn Poshard was strongly pro-gun (would have signed concealed carry legislation). His opponent was strongly anti-gun. I voted for Poshard.

24 posted on 09/19/2002 6:46:29 PM PDT by supercat
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To: EternalVigilance
Isn't it time for a new Jay? Great slogan. If there's anything we can do, let us know. By the way, Jay's got a great web site too. FV
25 posted on 09/19/2002 6:54:33 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: vannrox; HangFire
BTTT & Ping. Isn't it time for a new Jay? Support Jay Wolfe, West Virginia. Please ping your pals.
26 posted on 09/19/2002 6:56:02 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: vannrox
"Democrat candidates are trying their best to show that they are as quick on the draw when it comes to supporting Second Amendment gun rights"

Wolves in sheeps' clothing. I hope the American electorate is smarter than this...but I have my doubts.

28 posted on 09/19/2002 7:08:50 PM PDT by GnL
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To: Conservative_Dr.Pepper_Drinker
I guess if your an American born citizen, eight guns is an arsenal.

If you are a sleeper living in the US, you are allowed to amass a lot more weapons and do your Al Quaeda planning to get us infidels in mosques. We have to route out the terrorist cells from within and cut responsible gun owners some slack.

We may need them to bear arms someday to protect us non-gun owners. Nobody knows what the future holds while we try to convince America that the democratic party is bringing down the nation.

29 posted on 09/19/2002 7:15:55 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: sneakypete
All they have to do to neutralize the alleged Republicans is to send a gun control bill to the White House.

I'm afraid you're right. Bush has already said he would sign an extension of the AW law and also a bill to put gun shows out of business. Just when some Dems seem to have gotten the message that gun control is not a winning issue, a Pub president wants to tighten up the gun laws. Go figger.

30 posted on 09/19/2002 7:19:02 PM PDT by epow
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To: supercat
I think it may even be better in the long run to have the Dims win a few seats from the RINO's. Let them go ahead and get cocky enough again that their true colors shine through,and they will get voted out of office. On the other hand,once a RINO gets in office,there is zero chance of a conservative ever replacing them. Giddy Dolt is a perfect example of this. If she wins,she can keep that seat as long as she wants it,regardless of how she votes. Bowles,on the other hand is likely to make enough people mad during his first term that the voters would throw him out if a conservative were to challenge him in 2008.
31 posted on 09/19/2002 7:32:02 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: epow
Go figger.

The elitist "Rockefeller/Country Club" Repbulicans are back in the White House,and in charge of the RNC,which means that the Republican Party is now a suburb of the Dim Party.

32 posted on 09/19/2002 7:35:19 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: FSPress
Talk is cheap. I have yet to see or hear of a Democrat that I would trust to support the second amendment. There are some who will say they support the second, but press them hard on the issue and you will usually find out what their true colors are. You also need to look at who they surround themselves with, often they look pro-gun but the aide whispering in their ear is hard anti-gun.

Actually, there's one in Missouri (I can't recall his name off-hand, because he's not my representative) who's gotten an 'A' rating from the NRA... There are some Dems who have decent views on certain topics

Mark

33 posted on 09/19/2002 7:39:43 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: vannrox
...they do not want to alienate the powerful gun lobby.

Ah, yes, the infamous "powerful gun lobby". After all, everyone knows that it is the "powerful gun lobby" and not the interests of the voting public that decides who gets elected.

No matter how they may try, the 'rats simply cannot bring themselves to embrace the truth. It is repellent to them.

34 posted on 09/19/2002 7:50:02 PM PDT by Imal
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To: floriduh voter
"If there's anything we can do, let us know"

Yep, sure is...tell Floridians to send money - to the "Friends of Jay Wolfe" address posted by EV above. We need to purchase more yard signs and billboards. Here's another slogan for y'all: RETIRE ROCKEFELLER!

35 posted on 09/19/2002 7:53:08 PM PDT by RFP
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To: coloradan
What I can't understand is why the Republicans (and the NRA while we're at it) are so afraid of being seen as "extreme". The New York Times and other socialist rags will call them that no matter what they do, so the argument that standing on principle will cost elections doesn't hold water.
36 posted on 09/19/2002 7:54:26 PM PDT by alpowolf
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To: vannrox
"Democrats haven't stopped...DON'T let your GUARD DOWN!!!!! "


Agreed. The fact that they ever were anti-gun means that they probably disagree with us on a whole spectrum of issues, anyway, even if they make a phony cosmetic change on the gun issue to get votes. Look at their records, don't believe it if they seem to have changed. They are liars.

If they were EVER anti-gun, seek them out and destroy them in detail. There is no statute of limitations on an anti-gun vote.
37 posted on 09/19/2002 8:19:27 PM PDT by Liberty Ship
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To: Torie
You don't care much about the gun issue?

I think I remember you calling us gun folks some names about a year ago in a thread. If I'm wrong let me know but I am pretty sure you did because I usually file that stuff away.

My point being you say you don't care much about the issue but you certainly have some strong opinions about the folks on one side of the issue.

Are you trying to be a moderate or something?

38 posted on 09/19/2002 9:00:43 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: big ern
I don't have strong opinions about pro gun types. In fact, I agree with some of their positions, but it is a low priority issue with me. I did use the term gun nuts once, but not because they are nuts as to their views on guns (although a few are), but rather because it seemed to me that a few pro gun types gave this issue such prominance and were so driven by that issue alone, that it seemed grossly disproportionate to me. UMMV.

I am generally moderate, but I am liberal on a few issues, and conservative on some others, and on a couple very conservative, as I use the term.

I hope that helps.

39 posted on 09/19/2002 9:04:41 PM PDT by Torie
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To: vannrox
Alaska’s Democrat Lt. Gov. Fran Ulmer, who’s seeking to move up a notch to the governorship not only let it be known that she has a concealed weapon permit to carry and own a small arsenal of eight firearms, took reporters on a gun shopping spree as she looked for yet another handgun. Ulmer told the Anchorage Daily News that she needed something to make her feel safe on the campaign trail - and that none of her present handguns are small enough to fit in her purse.

She also never met a tax that she didn't like. So far all I've heard her talk about in her campaign is an income tax to support her big spending plans. I don't think I'll be voting for Fran.

40 posted on 09/19/2002 11:06:49 PM PDT by alaskanfan
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