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The new refugees. (Americans who give up citizenship to save on taxes)
Forbes, Nov 21, 1994 v154 n12 p131(5) ^ | Forbes, Nov 21, 1994 v154 n12 p131(5) | Authors: Lenzner, Robert; Mao, Philippe

Posted on 08/04/2002 9:09:17 AM PDT by vannrox

The new refugees. (Americans who give up citizenship to save on taxes)

Forbes, Nov 21, 1994 v154 n12 p131(5)


Authors: Lenzner, Robert; Mao, Philippe


"I TALK TO A new client interested in expatriating every week. Many people can't pay the federal tax rate and live in the style they want." So said Francis Mirabello, the head of the personal law department at the Philadelphia office of Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, speaking at a Bermuda conference on offshore money early this fall.

Expatriating? Give up U.S. citizenship? Who in his right mind would give up his U.S. citizenship? Lots of people. You could practically fill a Boeing 747 with well-heeled U.S. citizens who have taken on foreign citizenship rather than submit to what Learned Hand called "enforced exactions" at a level that amounts to virtual confiscation. The exodus may speed up under an Administration that campaigned for office on a tax-the-rich platform.

In 1981 Ronald Reagan lowered taxes. The following year not a single American gave up his citizenship. In 1993 the expatriate community grew by 306 names.

The expatriates of recent years have included:

Michael Dingman, chairman of Abex, and a Ford Motor director. Dingman is now a citizen of the Bahamas and lives there.

Billionaire John (Ippy) Dorrance III, an heir to the Campbell Soup fortune. Dorrance is now a citizen of Ireland and lives there as well as in the Bahamas and Devil's Tower, Wyo.

J. Mark Mobius, one of the most successful emerging market investment managers. Born a U.S. citizen, Mobius has the German citizenship of his ancestors and lives in Hong Kong and Singapore.

Kenneth Dart, an heir to Dart Container and his family's $1 billion fortune. He is a citizen of Belize and works in the Cayman Islands.

Ted Arison, founder of Carnival Cruise Lines. He kept Israeli citizenship and now lives there.

These newer emigrants join others of longer standing, including Robert Miller, the co-owner of Duty Free Shoppers International Ltd. Miller has a British passport obtained in Hong Kong, though he was raised in Quincy, Mass.

The U.S. is virtually the only country in the world that imposes significant income and death taxes on the worldwide income and assets of every citizen, even if the citizen is domiciled elsewhere. Even Canada, semisocialist, did away with estate taxes.

"Expatriation has been called the ultimate estate plan," says William Zabel, senior partner of Schulte Roth & Zabel, one of the nation's foremost authorities on trusts and estates, and author of the upcoming book The Rich Die Richer--And You Can Too.

The arithmetic is simple and brutal. A very rich Bahamian citizen pays zero estate tax; rich Americans--anyone with an estate worth $3 million or more--pay 55%. A fairly stiff 37% marginal rate kicks in for Americans leaving as little as $600,000 to their children. The marginal rate--what you pay on an additional dollar of assets--ranges upward from there to 60%. You get a credit for some or all of your state inheritance taxes, but your combined rate will still be in this range, or higher.

There are huge potential income tax savings, too, in giving up U.S. citizenship. St. Kitts-Nevis and the Cayman Islands, among others, levy no income taxes. Little wonder so many of the expatriate Americans have gone to the Caribbean for a year-round suntan.

Not that living in the Bahamas is any great sacrifice. Michael Dingman is building a 15,000-square-foot home at the exclusive Lyford Cay club in Nassau that will include a dock for his personal yacht. Cost: more than $10 million, but--who knows?--he might save more than that much in taxes.

The heirs of John (Ippy) Dorrance III, the Campbell Soup heir, won't have to pay Uncle Sam the maximum bite of 55% on the 26.7 million shares of Campbell Soup that make up most of his $1-billion-plus fortune. His new fatherland, Ireland, levies a 2% estate, or probate, tax. In any event, Dorrance doesn't escape the full federal income taxes. There's a U.S. withholding tax of 30% on the $30 million he gets in dividends every year from Campbell.

Many of these expatriates agonize over the decision, however. "I have serious reservations about expatriation for patriotic and practical reasons," says tax expert Zabel. "It is extraordinarily difficult for Americans to get back their citizenship once it is given up. To get it back you have to start like any other nonresident alien, with a green card, and go through the naturalization process.

"Before expatriating, I make my clients consider all the limitations on loss of citizenship--like giving up the ability to travel to the U.S. more than 120 days a year."

But losing that American passport isn't as hazardous as it once was. Profligate government policies are steadily eroding the value of the U.S. dollar, making overseas investments increasingly preferable for the wealthy. Investments in emerging markets look increasingly attractive. The end of the cold war means wealthy Americans can live in many developing nations safely. Global communication and jet travel facilitate an offshore lifestyle. What with computers and cable TV, you can be as well informed, and as quickly, living in Antigua as in New York City.

It certainly seems that way to Frederick Krieble, a director and former treasurer of Loctite Corp., the Rocky Hill, Conn. manufacturer of sealants and adhesives. Krieble, whose father, Robert, was formerly Loctite chairman, moved to Turks and Caicos Islands, where he runs an investment company. Krieble owns almost 1 million shares of Loctite, worth over $43 million.

"It's 85 degrees, but the market's down 35 points," Krieble told FORBES recently. When he heard we wanted to discuss the subject of expatriation, Krieble clammed up. "I don't wish to discuss that. Have to run now."

Yes, it's a bit embarrassing, but consider the consequences: decimation of your estate and huge reductions in your after-tax income.

Thus many money managers, senior executives and self-made entrepreneurs are on the phone quizzing their lawyers and accountants about how to leave the high-tax U.S.

Jane Siebels-Kilnes, a vice president of Templeton, Galbraith & Hansberger, in Nassau, told FORBES she was "following in the footsteps of Sir John Templeton," who gave up his U.S. citizenship in 1962 and moved to Nassau. Thus when Templeton sold his mutual fund management company in October 1992, he may have saved more than $100 million in capital gains taxes. Templeton, an extremely generous and public-spirited man, gives most of his money away. Apparently he wants to decide who gets the benefits rather than letting Donna Shalala or Mario Cuomo decide.

Siebels-Kilnes became a Norwegian citizen this year and moved her residence from Fort Lauderdale, Fla. to Nassau. "I've spoken to a number of hedge fund managers who are thinking of giving up their citizenship. It may be better to be offshore running offshore money before American authorities clamp down on the advantages," says Siebels-Kilnes.

A hot spot: St. Kitts-Nevis. All it requires is owning $150,000 worth of local real estate and paying $50,000 in fees, and presto. St. Kitts-Nevis levies neither a personal income tax nor an estate tax.

Top executives of midwestern industrial companies nearing retirement are considering expatriation as a way to ensure a high standard of living in a comfortable environment.

Is it greed alone that impels these citizenship changes? Not necessarily.

"These people love to challenge all the rules, even recognizing they may isolate themselves," says Carol Caruthers, a partner of Price Waterhouse in St. Louis. "We are doing preliminary planning for a few of them."

Expatriation is a fairly easy choice for many wealthy Americans who hold dual citizenship--as Mobius already did--and whose wealth is heavily concentrated abroad anyhow. "Since they may inherit these assets, a planning opportunity might be to give up U.S. citizenship in order to avoid taxation on assets and income that have no connection to the U.S.," says Robert C. Lawrence III, a Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft partner in New York who is advising on several such expatriations.

You'll need an ace attorney. If the Internal Revenue Service suspects you are renouncing your citizenship to avoid taxes, it will try to tax your holdings for another ten years, no matter where you live. All the IRS need establish is that it is reasonable to believe you gave up citizenship to avoid taxes. Then, the burden of proving the move was not for tax reasons falls on the former citizen.

But whatever the drawbacks, many nations put out the welcome mat for tax-averse Americans.

Lawyer Mirabello, who is working on six expatriations, is changing citizenship for a superwealthy Chinese-American whose headquarters is in Hong Kong. He has never set foot in the U.S. and wants to avoid estate taxes when he passes the empire to his children.

Some of Mirabello's clients are considering becoming Irish citizens. What does that require? Certainly no hardship, given what a pleasant place Ireland is for those with money. They need only buy a home there and reside there at least part of the year.

Why Ireland? An Irish passport lets its holder travel hassle-free in any member of the European Union. It also has more panache than a passport from Belize or St. Kitts, two small tropical outposts. And, Dublin is being developed as a global money center with tax advantages for individual and corporate investors.

How do you get an Irish passport? It should be fairly easy for the rich. New regulations will probably require a $1.6 million investment in a job producing operation like the reforestation of an area or modernization of a shipbuilding concern. This is the so called business migration scheme, administered in Dublin by the Department of Justice. Its guidelines are currently being reexamined for political reasons.

Another attractive destination is Switzerland. "You can pretty well negotiate your own private agreement with a Swiss canton about your annual income taxes," asserts Lawrence.

Can an affluent American keep the politicians at bay without sacrificing citizenship? It's not easy. Wealthy people hold over $2 trillion in offshore accounts from Zurich to the Cayman islands. No doubt some of these accounts are held by Americans who--illegally--omit mention of them on their tax returns.

Merrill Lynch, like all major investment firms, has a piece of this business. Merrill will not accept offshore accounts from U.S. citizens, but it is eager to service foreigners.

"Offshore money is growing faster than any other part of the financial services industry. It's multiplying at a double-digit rate of growth," says Nassos Michas, head of Merrill Lynch's private banking division. Merrill's trust bank in the Caymans, with assets growing at over $100 million a month, has almost $5 billion of wealthy individuals' holdings.

Actually, the Caymans trust is just a file for legal purposes. Merrill's banks in Geneva, New York and London hold the securities. The accounting is done in Singapore; the administration is done on the Isle of Man, famed for its trust business.

Wealthy Europeans, Latin Americans, Asians and Middle Easterners are Merrill's principal clients here. They want to buffer their fortunes against expropriation, political unrest, economic instability, angry first wives, kidnapping, family members, creditors and potential litigants.

Wealthy Europeans have expatriated their money to safety ever since the French Revolution, when they began hiding it in Switzerland.

When the Germans occupied the Netherlands in 1940, this activated a trust instrument transferring ownership from the homeland to a trust at a U.S. bank. In Europe, where the pounding of marching feet and air raid warnings are of recent memory, use of such trusts was common, at least up until the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Today many wealthy Kuwaitis have trusts offshore to protect their fortunes from Saddam Hussein. The rich in Latin America, Southeast Asia and the Middle East remember that it was only yesterday that their countries were ruled by thieving populists or arbitrary soldiers.

What is new is that Americans are beginning to feel the same sort of residual uncertainty about their possessions. They see courts eroding property rights. They read about bureaucrats who talk about "tax expenditures" when referring to that part of your earnings that they permit you to keep. They are subjected to retroactive taxation under the Clinton "deficit reduction bill." They live in a society that changes the tax rules so frequently that long-term planning is almost impossible.

So they consult legal experts like Cadwalader's Lawrence, who is an authority on generational and international planning, including the use of trusts, and taxation. "They want to sequester, organize and protect the privacy and maintenance of their wealth, plus the freedom to transfer it as they wish," says Lawrence.

But how, short of leaving for some sand dune in the Caribbean?

There are several clever strategies you can use to minimize the future tax bite on your estate (see box, opposite), but the fact is that Congress has done a very thorough job of plugging chinks in the tax code. Parking assets abroad or setting up holding companies will not get you out of the U.S.' steep income and estate tax rates. You really have to give up citizenship to get a big tax savings.

It's easier for foreigners who have property in the U.S. to avoid the worst of American taxation, but even for them there are pitfalls. They must pay U.S. estate taxes on assets held in the U.S. unless they safeguard them by means of an offshore legal structure. Only certain fixed-income investments are immune from the IRS.

A foreigner can shelter his U.S. assets in the following way: Set up a trust outside the U.S. in some tax-advantaged locale, such as Bermuda, the Cayman Islands or the British Virgin Islands. "The foreign trust must own an underlying holding company, called a private investment company (PIC)," Lawrence says.

"The PIC opens an investment account in the U.S. Otherwise, a foreign individual who has a stocks-and-bonds portfolio of U.S. companies would be subject to U.S. estate tax. If the securities are owned by a true foreign corporation, the individual is not subject to the estate tax. The foreign corporation acts like a shield to the estate tax."

The IRS can't be happy about these paper-shuffling arrangements. Indeed, Lawrence is afraid it may crack down on them. But before you cheer at the prospect of making them furriners pay up, remember this: The U.S. needs foreign capital because we don't save enough. We must compete for that capital with lots of other places. Treat the capital shabbily and it can go elsewhere.

"I'm afraid that foreign capital may be scared away from the U.S. because of taxes and the complexity of our regulation," Lawrence warns.

It could happen, Lawrence insists. He points to the Foreign Investment in Real Property Tax Act, passed in 1980, which forces foreigners to pay a capital gains tax when they sell real estate in the U.S. We shudder to think what would happen to the U.S. stock and bond markets if foreign paper holdings were similarly taxed.

It will come as a shock to many people to learn about the growing band of expatriates. But it is not unpatriotic to remind Americans that ours is no longer the only show in town as a place to invest. At a time when we urge developing countries to cut taxes and make capital more secure, a lot is happening to make it less secure and more heavily taxed at home. Those who give up their citizenship to escape Clintonomics and wealth redistribution are only the extreme part of a worrisome trend.


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To: Action-America; dighton
Actually, the book that you refered to is not the popular book that goes into the growing escape phenomena.

Thank you for the correction. My reference was meant to be a small joke about a poll that a poster had suggested. The book you referred to wouldn't have worked.

41 posted on 08/05/2002 4:41:04 AM PDT by Orual
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To: piasa; RJayneJ; Orual; aculeus; parsifal; general_re
(#39)

Excellent, piasa. I'm putting it in for Essay of the Week.

42 posted on 08/05/2002 4:51:32 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Action-America
The website I posted above, www.escapeartist.com, is Roger Gallo's website. It is very interesting.

43 posted on 08/05/2002 5:16:00 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Action-America
I read the article.

What an OUTRAGE!

Think of what the Founding Fathers would feel about something like this. So revolutionary and seditious to it's core.

They would be so angry or turning in their graves.

The thought of people, for example, in their day and age RENOUNCING British citizenship and leaving their motherland behind all because of usurious and unfair taxes, why, I, ..... wait.....

Oh, never mind.

44 posted on 08/05/2002 5:23:18 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Tailback
I hate to say this but what does being a US citizen get me that being an illegal alien wouldn't?

Nothing-

A third option is U.S. National. I have done tons of research and found this little gem;
TITLE 8, CHAPTER 12, SUBCHAPTER I, Sec. 1101.
(a) As used in this chapter -
(3) The term ''alien'' means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.

We 'volunteer' to become U.S. citizens, so we automatically 'volunteer' to pay taxes . This also allows the feds to exceed the 'ten miles square' restraint placed on them by the Constitution, and puts us in the juristiction of the federal goverenment.

Searching in the Codes or on the net for 'U.S. National' or 'American National' will give you lots of interesting information.

46 posted on 08/05/2002 5:56:44 AM PDT by MamaTexan
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To: dighton; piasa
It is an excellent post - who knew my simple post could inspire such eloquence? I suppose I can bask in the reflected glow if it does receive essay of the week honors;)

In any case, it does crystallize some of my more visceral feelings about this sort of thing. It wouldn't bother me quite so much, I think, if I weren't reasonably sure that if the s*** hit the fan in their new tax-free homelands they would expect us all to bail them out. Should one of the local eleventy-star generals decide it was a good time for a military coup, and let's do some looting and nationalizing while we're at it, I have little doubt that the tax expats would be on the phone in seconds with their senator friends and their governor friends and their White House friends, demanding that the USMC come down and straighten that crap out. Which, of course, would be generously provided by the American taxpayer...

Go if you want to go, but stay gone and don't expect anything from the rest of us, I say...

47 posted on 08/05/2002 6:32:32 AM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
Sounds to me like all of these folks have already paid far more in taxes then most of us taxpayers who stay. The Campbell soup heir has 30% of his dividends withheld...10 million dollars a year in 1994.

That would pay for a lot of marines.

I agree with the poster who said it's about freedom, not money. It's the principle of taking so much money from someone just because they have more. These former American Citizens were treated far worse by their government than most citizens. They get screwed to the wall because they are rich. Not equal justice under the law in my book. They don't owe me anything.

Our Declaration of Independence acknowledges the right of the people to throw out a repressive government. These folks are just ahead of the curve.

48 posted on 08/05/2002 7:21:28 AM PDT by Jesse
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To: Jesse
Sounds to me like all of these folks have already paid far more in taxes then most of us taxpayers who stay. The Campbell soup heir has 30% of his dividends withheld...10 million dollars a year in 1994.

That would pay for a lot of marines.

By that logic, we're obligated to protect anyone who's ever paid anything in taxes, whether there's an ongoing relationship or not. Like the question asks, "What have you done for me lately?" - you want protection next year, then cough it up next year ;)

They don't owe me anything.

I agree - I would never claim otherwise. My only point is that we no longer owe them anything either. So long as they don't try to have it both ways, where they get the benefits of being American without the any of the costs, I have no issue with what the tax expats have done....

49 posted on 08/05/2002 7:32:51 AM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
People who leave their homeland -- such as our forefathers -- do so to seek better conditions, in this case taxation strangulation and creeping socialism. These personalities are risk takers and enjoy the challenge. And because they are risk takers, they can fend for themselves without the help of Uncle Sam even when the going gets tough, hence, “yankee ingenuity.” The rest who think like you will stay home for the rest of your lives for fear of the unknown.
50 posted on 08/05/2002 7:41:22 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer); dighton; aculeus; Orual
Please. My Irish ancestors got off the boat with two suitcases of clothes and an old set of silverware - it just sounds silly to tell me about the willingness of billionaires to get out there and fend for themselves. It's a lot easier to "fend for yourself" on granddaddy's trust fund than it was for your ancestors or mine ;)
51 posted on 08/05/2002 7:48:03 AM PDT by general_re
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To: vannrox; dighton; Orual; general_re
These newer emigrants join others of longer standing, including Robert Miller, the co-owner of Duty Free Shoppers International Ltd. Miller has a British passport obtained in Hong Kong, though he was raised in Quincy, Mass.

Why post a 1994 article? (Miller and his partner sold DFS years ago.) Has the situation changed in the past 8 years?

52 posted on 08/05/2002 7:49:29 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: general_re
Your Irish ancestors, as well as mine, were still risk takers, and I admire all our ancestors for having had that courage. I like to think (invent) the reason the Europeans are such a bunch of ninnies is because there was a risk taker drain from Europe to America.

I realize that there may be a misconception here. Yes, the article talks about the wealthy taking their money and leaving. One doesn't have to be wealthy to do the same. Again, you should go to www.escapeartist.com and look it over. It’s quite informative.

53 posted on 08/05/2002 8:21:36 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Your Irish ancestors, as well as mine, were still risk takers, and I admire all our ancestors for having had that courage. I like to think (invent) the reason the Europeans are such a bunch of ninnies is because there was a risk taker drain from Europe to America.

Possibly. Again, let me stress that I have no personal beef with someone who chooses to do such a thing, so long as they don't try to have their cake and eat it too. If you feel that the best, most rational decision is to leave, then I'm perfectly willing to let you go amicably - I agree that I have no further claim against you from that point onward, and you agree not to be surprised when I hang up on you if you call needing help from me. No claims and no obligations in either direction ;)

As I said, I'd prefer to see people stay and try to change the system, rather than bailing out altogether, but that's a personal decision that people must make for themselves...

54 posted on 08/05/2002 8:33:28 AM PDT by general_re
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To: aculeus
Has the situation changed in the past 8 years?

It has changed in that more and more folks are leaving the U.S. with their money. Law firms outside the U.S. are making good money helping people from the U.S. and elsewhere in hiding their assets.

Here’s another observation: The Clintons and their subhuman friends (and how about our congresscrooks?) launder their stolen money and hide it from the crooked IRS through offshore accounts. These sub animals are crooks and murderers.

The honest folks are just trying to keep for what they worked so hard -- to keep their money (most of it) and not allow the Feds to rob them.

55 posted on 08/05/2002 8:41:38 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: general_re
Yes, I agree with you. People who leave will not have it both ways, and I believe this is taken into account when the decision is made to leave.

I also believe that we have a runaway train with the government. There are too many crooks in key positions, and I see no leadership to get them out. The leadership has to come from “we the people” -- from the ordinary citizen on the street. They work for us. We don’t work for them.
56 posted on 08/05/2002 9:07:24 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Jesse
Bravo for common sense. Nice post!
57 posted on 08/05/2002 11:32:32 AM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: general_re
By that logic, we're obligated to protect anyone who's ever paid anything in taxes

You know, I agree except for one thing. Some of these people are still paying taxes...a lot of taxes, like the Campbell soup heir. So I propose that if you give up your citizenship, but still earn money in America, then you shouldn't have to pay any taxes to America and in exchange, you can't call in the Marines.

By the way, look at all the services we pay for people who aren't citizens and who pay no taxes...Coast Guard rescue, Border Patrol, health care, even worldwide GPS. Someone who pays 10 million a year to the US ought to get something in return. And if they don't get something for the millions they fork over, who is being the parasite here? I would say it is the US government and people like you, who see the rich as milk cows or other property.

Fair enough?

58 posted on 08/05/2002 12:24:01 PM PDT by Jesse
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To: Jesse
So I propose that if you give up your citizenship, but still earn money in America, then you shouldn't have to pay any taxes to America and in exchange, you can't call in the Marines.

Won't work - it's impossible to do business or earn money in this country without availing yourself of taxpayer-provided services, even if you don't require the services of the Marines.

I would say it is the US government and people like you, who see the rich as milk cows or other property.

Right, right - when all else fails, pull out the inverse class-warfare card. Assuming an awful lot about me, aren't you?

59 posted on 08/05/2002 12:31:56 PM PDT by general_re
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To: dighton
Thanks for the nomination! };^D)
60 posted on 08/05/2002 7:36:49 PM PDT by RJayneJ
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