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Smoking Ban Puts Restaurant Profits Up In Smoke/They Finally Admit It!
Boston.com ^ | June 18, 2002 | Unknown

Posted on 06/19/2002 7:11:34 AM PDT by SheLion

Some Haverhill restaurant owners are complaining about a city ban on smoking.

NewsCenter 5's Kelley Tuthill said that they claim the smoking ban is driving customers away and they say they're ready to fight to get it overturned.

Restaurant owners said that they've lived with these new regulations for three months with devastating consequences. They plan to speak out Tuesday night at a meeting at City Hall.

In Haverhill, the bar banter has moved outside. Three months ago, the city banned smoking in most restaurants. The ashtrays may be gone, but so are the customers.

"I would say we lost 30 to 40 percent of our business right off top since March 1, and it happened that day," restaurant owner Mike Difeo said.

It was a similar story at Benny's farther north on Route 125.

"It's a struggle. I've lost $49,000 as of today, and I can see I lost my main base of customers because of non-smoking. I am losing help. My people are not making money. I went from 58 employees to 44 employees," restaurant owner Ben Brienza said.

Workers and some customers may be heading across the border to New Hampshire.

"I think it's a ridiculous law. Little by little, we are lawing ourselves right out of freedom," one customer said.

"A lot of people we don't see anymore. It's sad," another customer said.

Before the regulations, nonsmoking customer could dine in a separate section of the restaurant.

So is Haverhill fixing something that wasn't broken? Not according to a member of the board of health.

"You can't drive over 65 on the highway -- that is a health issue because of accidents, and there are many different rules in that regard," board of health member Dr. Carl Rosenbloom said. "I think (the government) has an obligation to protect certain aspects of public health that an individual cannot protect themselves."

The board of health does not expect to make any decision at Tuesday night's meeting. It will take public comment for at least a week. Then, board members will either keep the regulations as is, go to a citywide ban in all establishments or chose something in between.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxreform; tobacco
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To: SheLion
But that won't give enough control to the Boards of Health.

I don't know about everywhere else but here the Board of Health has nothing to do with it. It was ONE city council person who had a complaint from ONE of his constituants and ONE restaurant who wanted to go smoke free and all his customers went down the street and he was losing business.

That was One+one+one= smoking ban. That was what got us our smoking ban when everyone on council jumped on the wagon when it was PC to do so. Had nothing to do with the Board of Health. The City Council passed an ordinence. I imagine what is what happens in most towns.

21 posted on 06/19/2002 8:21:29 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: JoeSixPack1
.....restaurants would be able to install air handling equipment to meet these requirements.

Joe, a lot of restaurants did go the extra mile, and installed big smoke eaters. That wasn't enough. Those that could afford it, installed separate rooms for the smokers. Still, that wasn't enough.

The anti-smoking Boards of Health want smoking GONE! Period. My heart goes out to all the business's that forked out thousands of dollars to accomodate their smoking clientele, only to have the Board of Health come in and say "That's not good enough." And the Board of Health didn't bother reimbursing the business owner either.

Now the Board of Health is starting on bar/restaurants. It used to be if they sold liquor, they could allow smoking. Well, the Board of Health is digging into ways to pull smoking out of bars, as well. It's their way or no way, and it's the private sector business owner that is really suffering.

22 posted on 06/19/2002 8:22:28 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: rudypoot
In order to get the title "Dr.", Carl got a BS degree (Bullsh# degree), then a MS degree (More Sh# degree) and finally a PhD (Piled Higher and Deeper degree). I always remember this when dealing with these so-called "experts".

That is SO good. LOL!

23 posted on 06/19/2002 8:24:04 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Texas Mom
I have been doing the same thing. Even made a calling card I leave with them saying I won't be back or thanking them for providing a smoking section and I will be back. It has my name,address, phone and email address in case they care to contact me. Several have.

It's good to see smokers finally standing up to be heard.

Hopefully, we can get our voices together and make a loud roar. I am so tired of the anti-smokers saying we all work for Big Tobacco. Private citizens DO have the right to speak out!

24 posted on 06/19/2002 8:27:13 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Texas Mom
I smoke and I own a gun. How much more Politically incorrect could I be? "

My kind of Mom! I think we are leaning towards buying a gun, too. Although I need to go to school so I don't shoot my own foot off. heh!

25 posted on 06/19/2002 8:29:01 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Freemeorkillme
When I went to Cape Cod, I was disgusted to find a community-wide ban on smoking. It cost several business money during my 4-day stay.

ahhhhh Cape Cod.

We used to go there twice a year. When they went smoke free in 1999, that was the last they saw us.

Pity. I really miss the Christmas Tree Shop and Colonial Candle, Mitchells Restaurant and the Sport Bar over by the Mall. But they can keep it. The anti-smokers want it all to themselves, so they can help support these business's , in my opinion.

26 posted on 06/19/2002 8:32:52 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Kerberos
Don't forget you can also 'stuff' your own cigarettes with tubes that already have filters.
27 posted on 06/19/2002 8:51:54 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: SheLion
I know that this is off topic but . . . my wife and I went to Cape Cod to go whale watching a few years ago. We had never been there before and had no idea what Provincetown was "really" like. I honestly belive that there needs to be some kind of warning label on travel brochures or maps that will let decent people know they are entering Sodom. We were disgusted not only at the same sex necking in the restaurants and on the community green, but also at some of what was printed on the t-shirts in the souvenir shops. Although the whale charter was excellent, the atnosphere was so disgusting that I would never bring my children (or myself) and wouldn't recommend it to any decent person (and yes I am saying that those who view what we experienced as acceptable are indecent).
28 posted on 06/19/2002 9:11:54 AM PDT by Conservative_Rob
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To: Just another Joe
"Don't forget you can also 'stuff' your own cigarettes with tubes that already have filters.

Well I smoke non-filters so it really doesn't matter to me.

However, I would have to do something like that for my wife.

29 posted on 06/19/2002 9:15:40 AM PDT by Kerberos
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To: Texas Mom
I smoke and I own a gun. How much more Politically incorrect could I be? "

How about being a dedicated evangelical Christian?

30 posted on 06/19/2002 9:24:11 AM PDT by TexasRepublic
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To: Conservative_Rob
Question: What does a man do if he drops his wallet in Provincetown?

Answer: Kick it to the Truro town line.
31 posted on 06/19/2002 9:26:23 AM PDT by metesky
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To: Freemeorkillme
"How about ordering first and then upon the hostesses return, popping the question and promptly leaving in disgust? "

Well if it was just me, I would probably do such. But once I get my wife, who also smokes, seated in the restaurant, it is not a good idea to come between her and a meal.

We did have an incident about a month ago where we agreed to meet for lunch at a new restaurant. Unfortunately she got there first and got a table without inquiring about smoking. When the waiter came to the table with menus I inquired about obtaining an ashtray, to which he informed me that they did not allow smoking in the restaurant. At which point I looked at my wife, who knew this was bad news and stated, "Well we should try to enjoy the meal as it will be the only one we will ever have here."

32 posted on 06/19/2002 9:29:14 AM PDT by Kerberos
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To: SheLion
This is a deja-vu week for me. First it was my neighbor Jeff Tuttle.

Now Haverhill, Mass.

I went to Haverhill High and Mike Difeo was a classmate of mine.

And lots of talk here about Cape Cod. Madame Dufarge and I lived on Cape Cod for almost thirty years until we escaped to Maine.
33 posted on 06/19/2002 9:32:10 AM PDT by metesky
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To: SheLion
Dr. Carl Rosenbloom is a good citizen.

You should do what the nice government people tell you and be a good citizen, also.

They only want what's best for everybody.

You malcontents will be sorry someday, when the government has to punish you.
35 posted on 06/19/2002 9:39:56 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: old dusty road
Give it up, newbie, this is an old group here and we're not interested in your sh!t.

And if you like the old dusty road see the above references to Provincetown.
36 posted on 06/19/2002 9:47:11 AM PDT by metesky
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To: headsonpikes
Speaking of malcontents...
37 posted on 06/19/2002 9:48:04 AM PDT by metesky
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To: SheLion
Having a smoking section in a public restaraunt is a bit like having a
peeing section in a public pool!

38 posted on 06/19/2002 9:55:20 AM PDT by gwynapnudd
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To: gwynapnudd
Wrong, having a smoking section in a PRIVATELY OWNED restaurant is like telling someone they CAN pee in your PRIVATELY OWNED pool, if they want to.
39 posted on 06/19/2002 10:10:09 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: gwynapnudd
#1.) All of the studies purporting to show a danger from second hand smoke, show just the opposite; that SHS is in fact benign.

#2.)The EPA study that classified SHS as a Class I carcinigen was invalidated by a Federal judge in 1998.

#3.)The subject under discussion is whether or not a property owner has control over what he can or can not allow ON HIS OWN PROPERTY.

#4.)If the peeing in the pool analogy is the best you can do, expect people here to ignore you. Come up with facts and figures and stop whining.

#4.) None of these facts will make any difference to you.
40 posted on 06/19/2002 10:14:38 AM PDT by metesky
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