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Smoking Ban Puts Restaurant Profits Up In Smoke/They Finally Admit It!
Boston.com ^ | June 18, 2002 | Unknown

Posted on 06/19/2002 7:11:34 AM PDT by SheLion

Some Haverhill restaurant owners are complaining about a city ban on smoking.

NewsCenter 5's Kelley Tuthill said that they claim the smoking ban is driving customers away and they say they're ready to fight to get it overturned.

Restaurant owners said that they've lived with these new regulations for three months with devastating consequences. They plan to speak out Tuesday night at a meeting at City Hall.

In Haverhill, the bar banter has moved outside. Three months ago, the city banned smoking in most restaurants. The ashtrays may be gone, but so are the customers.

"I would say we lost 30 to 40 percent of our business right off top since March 1, and it happened that day," restaurant owner Mike Difeo said.

It was a similar story at Benny's farther north on Route 125.

"It's a struggle. I've lost $49,000 as of today, and I can see I lost my main base of customers because of non-smoking. I am losing help. My people are not making money. I went from 58 employees to 44 employees," restaurant owner Ben Brienza said.

Workers and some customers may be heading across the border to New Hampshire.

"I think it's a ridiculous law. Little by little, we are lawing ourselves right out of freedom," one customer said.

"A lot of people we don't see anymore. It's sad," another customer said.

Before the regulations, nonsmoking customer could dine in a separate section of the restaurant.

So is Haverhill fixing something that wasn't broken? Not according to a member of the board of health.

"You can't drive over 65 on the highway -- that is a health issue because of accidents, and there are many different rules in that regard," board of health member Dr. Carl Rosenbloom said. "I think (the government) has an obligation to protect certain aspects of public health that an individual cannot protect themselves."

The board of health does not expect to make any decision at Tuesday night's meeting. It will take public comment for at least a week. Then, board members will either keep the regulations as is, go to a citywide ban in all establishments or chose something in between.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxreform; tobacco
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To: Taxman
The government has no business telling the owner whether or not he may allow smoking.

The government has an interest in the manor and conduct of the restaurant's operations and it excersize's that through zoning laws on where a restaurant can be parking etc. , health restrictions and licensing.

So, it has been established that it is the business of government to tell a restaurant owner how to run his business.

However when a restriction is added to existing owners that results in a permanent loss of revenues that owner should be compensated.

141 posted on 06/20/2002 6:58:20 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Action-America
Excellent analogy!

EXCELLENT?? What side are YOU on?!

142 posted on 06/20/2002 7:05:42 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: lewislynn; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; JohnHuang2; Tumbleweed_Connection; ...
Once again an example of smokers blowing smoke

I didn't WRITE this article! This is what the BUSINESS owners are saying! HELLO!!

Way to show your PHONY support for innocent business owners cowering hypocrites.

You are an ignorant A HOLE and one ellava poor excuse for a Republican. Who do you think you are coming into our threads and bashing us.

Your no better then the pukes over at thetruth.com.

I bet YOU'VE got some habits that "I" would find revolting. You disgust me.

143 posted on 06/20/2002 7:10:08 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: metesky
lewislynn Alert!

Is there ANYway we can put an ignore on the RINO A HOLES that come in here? Anyway??!!

144 posted on 06/20/2002 7:12:15 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Action-America; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; JohnHuang2; ...
But then,... that's the difference between farters and most smokers.

Your TOTALLY disgusting!

145 posted on 06/20/2002 7:15:42 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: metesky
Have a nice day, Mr. Hole.

Very well said, metesky. This Action-America is totally disgusting. He's a little brown shirt marching in time with the jackboots, and he calls himself a Conservative?

God help us if this is what our party is coming to.

Trying to put a Tu-Tu on Uncle Sam are we, Mr. Hole??

146 posted on 06/20/2002 7:21:13 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Texas Mom
for these city governments to make it law to ban smoking is unconstitional IMHO.

Since when did that ever stop the thugs and busybodies?

147 posted on 06/20/2002 7:22:19 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: VRWC_minion
"However when a restriction is added to existing owners that results in a permanent loss of revenues that owner should be compensated."

Takings clause? Taxpayers should compensate a restaurant owner for lost revenues due to a smoking ban law? I think not!

Laws that ban smoking in private businesses are unconstitutional, right from the get-go. They should all be repealed, and then let private businesses decide whether they will allow smoking.

And their customers will reward/punish them accordingly.

That is the essence of a FRee Republic, in this case anyway!

148 posted on 06/20/2002 7:23:00 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: Action-America
I know that non-smokers claim that their concern over the health risk from SHS is the reason that it should be banned but that is pure crap.

The amount and duration of the exposure is so limited to the average person at the restaurant that SHS could not be a serious threat.

The real reason is two-fold. The smoke smell is awfull and no one who doesn't smoke wants to be smelling smoke while trying to enjoy their meal. In addition, the average smoker has no clue how objectionable their smoke is and how far that smell travels and often act irresponsibly by blowing smoke all around.

149 posted on 06/20/2002 7:23:39 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Action-America
but they are obliged to prevent you from endangering the health of others - at least not without their permission.

If you would like to show me, or point me to , the study, that has NOT been discredited, that says SHS is a HEALTH hazard I might be more willing to listen to your other arguments.
As it is YOU are the one blowing smoke.

150 posted on 06/20/2002 7:23:42 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Taxman
Is that not the essence of a FRee Republic? Citizens making choices based on their own preferences?

BLESS you, Taxman. I would vote for you anytime!

Your my kind of conservative! Thank you!!!

151 posted on 06/20/2002 7:23:44 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: VRWC_minion
The restaurant owners should be compensated for the net present value of the lost earnings.

It would be easier to just repeal all the laws concerning how businesses run their own affairs.

Not to mention that roads and non-smoking laws have nothing in common.

152 posted on 06/20/2002 7:25:07 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: waterstraat
Until they put in weight scales and prohibit restaurants from serving overweight customers, then they are just being hypocritical(they really are not concerned about the health of the customers).

Typical logical fallacy used by many nonsmokers. If X causes damage and Y causes damage we cannot do anything about X unless we also do something about Y.

Variation of false choice.

153 posted on 06/20/2002 7:25:47 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: ThomasJefferson
Since when did that ever stop the thugs and busybodies?

We seem to have a LOT of them in here lately.

154 posted on 06/20/2002 7:26:38 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: VRWC_minion
If X causes damage and Y causes damage we cannot do anything about X unless we also do something about Y.

Your fallacy.
Mine is, "If X is not proven to cause damage and Y is proven to cause damage then leave X alone and do something about Y."

155 posted on 06/20/2002 7:28:36 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Just another Joe; Action-America
but they are obliged to prevent you from endangering the health of others - at least not without their permission.

SHOW US the money, Action-America.

All talk and NO Action! heh!

156 posted on 06/20/2002 7:28:37 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
b-b-b-but smoking is bad
157 posted on 06/20/2002 7:28:58 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: VRWC_minion
Plus my posistion is that the towns do have the right to ban smoking

Towns do not have rights, they have powers. Where would this power to tell businesses who to serve come from?

I would be willing to pay extra taxes to accomplish that effect.

You don't mind if I opt out do you?

158 posted on 06/20/2002 7:30:02 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: InvisibleChurch
b-b-b-but smoking is bad

AND? ;^)

159 posted on 06/20/2002 7:31:27 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Conservative_Rob
Yes, I concur. I was sickened when driving through Providence Point. I didn't even get out of the car, instead honey and I looked at eachother and said, "She was right on the money" and turned around and headed back to Chatham where we enjoyed ourselves quite a bit more with the "regular" folk. The "She", in case, was the owner of our bed and breakfast in Port Harwich. I was duely warned, but I expected nothing like what I saw. A regular Ninevah.
160 posted on 06/20/2002 7:31:58 AM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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