GLSEN (Gay and Lesbian Educational Network) Assault on Broward County Public Schools!!!

Steve Kane Show ^ | 04/18/02 | Self

[wwjdn]

Excellent...thanks

[Caipirabob]

BTTT

The vote is tomorrow! Keep phoning and faxing!!! Spread the word!!!!!

[EdReform]

Bump!

I listened to the Steve Kane Show live this morning. Lots of good comments!

[EdReform]

BTTT

[jenny65]

First of all, I don't have the energy to respond to everyone here. So please forgive me for being brief. [After finishing this, I found that it wasn't quite so brief - oh well]

I took the time read the majority of the links. Since most of the links point to sites with a definite bias (not that that's good or bad), I decided to do a bit of searching myself. To be honest, I couldn't find much of anything that WASN'T biased against them. That could mean two things: Either this is part of concerted effort by the Christian Right to discredit this organization, or the stories are based on fact. Some of the stuff seems really far-fetched, such as the "fisting kit", or whatever the hell it is, that Yakboy posted a picture of. I'm still skeptical of that one.

In any case, a definite theme arises from all the info, and it points towards these people going way beyond teaching tolerance. If that is the case, then I agree one hundred percent that this is not something to be taught in our schools. You do have the right to say no to this (not that I'm implying that you need my permission). I have run across militant gay groups, and they definitely do more harm to their cause than good. As a side note, my gay friends avoid those "gay pride" parades like the plague. They're probably just as offended as some of you are at the blatant exhibitionism that is common in most of them.

I will NOT however, back down on the topic of "what makes a homosexual". The whole notion that a person would choose it is ludicrous. Why would ANYONE in their right mind (no pun intended) choose a lifestyle that subjects them to the agony of constant harrasment and humiliation?

I have no reason to suspect that any of my friends are hiding anything from me or themselves. Most of them would have given anything in the world to be "normal" when they were younger, and many struggled deeply with all of the issues, from moral to just plain practicality. Many pretended or tried to be straight, and had opposite-sex relationships when they were in school. But it just wasn't meant to be.

No one here knows for a fact how homosexuality is "made". You have a BELIEF, just as I do. While the evidence for a "gay gene" is lacking, all that means is that one hasn't been discovered. Maybe it exists, maybe it doesn't. Nor is there any proof that it's entirely a result of environment or traumatic events. All we DO know is that we don't know. It may be that it's a combination of many factors. The code to the brain may never ne cracked in our lifetimes.

In the mean time, there are children out there who are desperatly struggling with their own sexuality, who have no one to talk to. They need help, yet are terrified of talking to their parents or friends, because of the prejudices and ignorance that they run into on a daily basis. That needs to change.

I'm going to move on from this topic. This is a hot-button issue, and we all know where we stand. There's no point in arguing to a brick wall (and I count myself as one). You did sway my opinion on this GLSEN group. The rest I won't budge on. I thank some of you for at least being civil, especially L.N. Smithee, who provided some somewhat objective material, and didn't resort to gay-bashing. For other like erizona... well... I wish you well.

[Caipirabob]

Thanks for the response, yeah, it's pretty overwhelming when you get this many posts with links and stuff.

To be honest Jenny65, none of us wanted any of this. I know gay people, I had several gay friends (two of whom succombed to AIDS, sadly) but when this group came out and attempted to force an agenda on us, I was compelled to act.

There is no in-between with this particular group. They will exploit any perceived weakness in an opposing view, so you can give them none to exploit.

Many of us, as parents, feel this group and people who support them fully intend to recruit children at an age when they are emotionally immature, impressionable and vunerable. There is substantial, no, undeniable evidence to support this. We also feel that these groups are attempting to undo the core values that families have raised their children by. In affect, destroy our culture, an action that can be perceived as the height of intolerance and insensitivity to our most strongest held beliefs. Basically a Hate Crime in action.

These radical groups are infiltrating every aspect of decent society from our schools, children's organizations to our Churches. Take the Catholic Church problem right now. While you keep hearing the issue portrayed as Pedophilia, the truth of the matter is that most of the children involved had already reached puberty. This technically defines these acts as homosexual in nature. The media has been silent on this fact, but check it out.

We are under siege by these groups who have invaded our most cherished institutions like a corrupting infection.

None of my actions have come from hate. What you're seeing is an overwhelming innate parental instinct to protect my children. GLSEN does not seem to understand how deeply this runs in us, but then, members of GLSEN have missed out on more obvious aspects of human anatomy.

THE VOTE IS TODAY!

BTTT

[Clint N. Suhks]

I have no reason to suspect that any of my friends are hiding anything

You should read ‘Biology my Ass’, it’s from an unbiased leftist source and they of course aren’t liars like the conservative Christians. But hey, if you want believe anecdotal evidence knock yourself out babe.

[EdReform]

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[Greeklawyer]

I went on the broward school board web site
They do live broadcase on radio FM 88.5 WKPX.
(it is a tiny school radio station)
The Board videotapes for transmission on local cable.

this is the web page with the information
http://www.browardschools.com/maincentr/televised.html

[Greeklawyer]

Post to self/
Sorry I did not do the link correctly
I little help would be appreciated.

[EdReform]

Thanks for posting this! Here's the link:

http://www.browardschools.com/maincentr/televised.html

[EdReform]

Lunch time Bump

[Caipirabob]

Excellent and thanks!

"Greeklawyer, eh? We used to go to an awesome Greek Restaurant in CT when I lived there. Great! Now I have a craving for some white "Retsina" wine...

I may need a bottle or two before this day is done! ; )

Voting is taking place any minute now.

[EdReform]

Please post the result of the vote in this thread. Thanks!

[Greeklawyer]

this is the agreement as it appears on their agenda page
There is a pdf file with the actual agreement too.
Actual Resolution on Agenda

[Caipirabob]

Using the site you posted I found that you can receive the radio broadcast at 3:00PM Today on FM 88.5!

If I can receive it in my office I'll post anything I hear. There will probably be a crowd of people in here when it begins.

If nothing else, I think at least one of them may register on FR this week if they haven't already.

[Caipirabob]

Hi Ed, I listened to the meeting on the radio. It appears the measure passed 6-3. I'm pretty dissappointed, mostly for my neighbors in Broward who will be really upset by this. I didn't have the heart to call my buddy at work yet. He's already shelling out big dinero for private school and was hoping to sen his two other children to public school.

After this vote, GLSEN will be in the schools tomorrow morning. That's a fact.

They'll be up in Boca next.

This is not finished yet, though. We'll have to consider our next action now. There are a lot of outraged people down here who need to be focused onto solving this problem.

[Gerfang]

I was at the meeting. GLSEN didn’t mention anything about sodomizing your children. Perhaps it’s all part of their sophisticated plan to deceive you and destroy America. If so, they are a lot more clever than they look.

I saw a group of people who probably had the s&!t kicked out of them every day in high school because they looked or acted queer. They are trying to stop it from happening to other kids. Good for them. It utterly amazes me that a group of adults would de facto support the bullying of children.

After this vote, GLSEN will be in the schools tomorrow morning. That's a fact.

No. GLSEN will be added to a list of sponsored programs for teachers who want information on the subject. And there was an amendment added stressing the Board’s ability to remove the group from that list. I read some of the link posted on this thread, and they painted the group in a rather unfavorable light. Perhaps people should go to the actual site and read what they have to say for themselves. I saw nothing about encouraging students to engage in underage sex and nothing encouraging anyone to adopt a dangerous lifestyle.

After examining the half truths and quotes out of context presented on this thread, then letting the group speak for itself, it’s pretty clear that smear tactics were used. I’m glad the Board saw through them, and I’m glad GLSEN won the day.

[Caipirabob]

After examining the half truths and quotes out of context presented on this thread, then letting the group speak for itself, it’s pretty clear that smear tactics were used. I’m glad the Board saw through them, and I’m glad GLSEN won the day.

You've got the facts as best as they can be obtained via the net here. What they did elsewhere is what they will most likely attempt in Broward. We can only judge them by past behavior, and that record has been dismal.

We are witnessing the effects of homosexuals in leadership/power positions now with the travesty occuring in the Catholic Church. Is there any reason to believe that they won't end up causing the same problems here?

What we have witnessed is a small group of people who support abhorrent behavior now in a position to indoctrinate youth in a public forum subsidized by Broward County tax payers.

Once again, a minority of liberals has dictated their beliefs over the majority who stand firmly against it.

What you've seen on the GLSEN site is nothing compared to what was there before they lost the vote in October. They cleaned up the site so that people who are new to the issue would not be outraged at what they intend to do.

I will say it again. Attempting to inflict behavior on children which is contrary to that which the parents have raised them by can not be tolerated. This is not over by a long shot.

[aabbccddeeff]

Did anyone talk about the fact this is about a sexual behavior
being described to k through 12?

Was this decided before the meeting?

When do the lawsuits start?