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Altar boys are paying the price of Vatican II
(London) Telegraph ^ | 12/04/2002 (That's April 12, Brit style) | Stuart Reid

Posted on 04/12/2002 1:40:46 PM PDT by aristeides

THE news from America is not good. In my day, there was none of that sort of malarky. At school (in England), the priests who taught me were good and holy men who did not, as a rule, indecently assault the boys.

The only incident I can recall that might now be classed as paedophilia involved a friend who was given one-on-one counselling about masturbation by his housemaster. My friend was told to take down his pyjama trousers. There was no "inappropriate touching", at least by hand, but there was a bit of close and apparently expert scrutiny and . . . But that's enough of that. We thought it was a bit of a lark.

What is happening now, in America, is not a lark. The sex scandal rocking and roiling the Roman Catholic Church there is serious. Even if, as I suspect, many of the weeping "victims" of pervert priests are on the make, there is still compelling evidence that very bad things indeed have been going on, and are still going on.

The scandal stretches back 30 years and more. It involves allegations against as many as 2,000 priests - among them the Cardinal Archbishop of Los Angeles - and has cost the Church about $1 billion. On Thursday in Holy Week, the Pope felt compelled to denounce paedophilia in priests as the work of the Devil.

It's not just paedophilia, either. There is a flourishing gay culture among Catholic priests in the United States. There have always been homosexual priests, of course, many of them very good men. What is new is that such priests now claim the right to indulge their preferences. According to an estimate from within the Society of Jesus, roughly half the American Jesuits under 50 are homosexual, and most of these are sexually active.

In California, the Jesuits have an official website that defies parody. Until recently, it was displaying pictures of novices cuddling one another in Mardi Gras costumes. The pictures carried captions such as "Pretty Boy and Jabba the Slut" and "Lambada, anyone?". These images were not found in some spotty novice's desk drawer, note, but were intended to place the Jesuits in a good light before the 700 million people around the world with internet access.

There is a very serious problem in the Catholic Church, but let's be clear what the problem is not. It is not, as so many believe, the rule of celibacy. ("I mean, if they was allowed to get married, they wouldn't be rogering them choirboys, would they?" The same sort of reasoning, in posher language, can be found in broadsheet newspapers.) If you want proof that celibacy is not the cause of child molestation or promiscuous homosexuality, look at the Church of England, or visit your nearest internet paedophile circle. The truth is that celibacy is the only hope that paedophiles - and their potential victims - have.

The real problem is the legacy of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965). It is no coincidence, as the Marxists say, that the revolutionary "spirit" of Vatican II began to kick in at about the time much of the sexual abuse began.

By opening itself up to the world - the aim of Vatican II - the Church hoped to foster a renewal of spiritual life. The renewal never materialised. On the contrary, pews emptied, seminaries and schools closed, annulments soared (in America, from 338 a year in 1968 to 52,000 in 1983), nuns started reading Germaine Greer and priests left to get married (giving greater scope to the non-marrying kind).

What followed the Council was decline: moral, intellectual, cultural and spiritual. It spread far beyond the Church. By ditching its ancient Latin Mass - the Mass of Bach, Beethoven and Palestrina - in favour of a participatory vernacular service of praise and thanksgiving, Rome committed an act of vandalism just as surely as it would if it had ordered the destruction of all the great cathedrals of Europe.

As it is, huge sums of money - though perhaps not as much as has been shelled out to the victims of paedophilia - have been spent on smashing altars, ripping out communion rails and generally trashing sanctuaries to make room for the new, man-centred liturgy. It is as though Rome had been seized by a frenzied hatred of beauty. No wonder the churches are empty; no wonder the culture of the bathhouse and the internet chat room has such a secure footing in the Catholic - and for that matter the secular - world.

The Pope has stamped out some of the worst abuses, and has even allowed the old Latin (or Tridentine) rite of Mass to be celebrated publicly, if in moderation; but it is hard to forget or forgive the fraud and experimentation that attended the introduction of the new liturgy in the 1970s. There were clown Masses and bunny rabbit Masses and dancing girl Masses and rock Masses. Christ, it was embarrassing. Celebrants began to get in touch with themselves, and, as we can now see, with others. Out went repression, in came expression. Altar boys paid the price. So did a new, inclusive presence: altar girls.

A measure of the frivolity that infected the Church in the 1970s is to be found in the statement issued last month by the Bishop of Palm Beach, when he resigned after acknowledging impropriety with a 15-year-old boy in 1977. The poor fellow was reduced to trying to account for his behaviour by saying, inter alia, that he had fallen under the influence of the "sexologists" Masters and Johnson, but added that he had made "wonderful Jewish friends" and "wonderful friends in the Muslim community". He asked for prayers and "expressions of love". He suggested that those who were a bit miffed should "pray for their ability themselves to forgive".

It is no good just blaming the Yanks, however. The decline of the Church in America mirrors the decline of the Church elsewhere in the West, and indeed the decline of the West in general. The sex scandals will eventually disappear, but the rot is almost certain to continue, and perhaps grow worse when John Paul II dies. We'd better watch out.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: altarboys; catholicchurch; catholiclist; pedophilia; vaticanii
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I doubt if there was no active homosexuality among the Catholic clergy before Vatican II. I doubt if the rumors about Cardinal Spellman were without substance, especially in view of recent revelations. I doubt if Goebbels would have bothered to make pederasty the center of his propaganda against the Catholic Church if the charges had been entirely without foundation. After all, the Catholic Church is centered in Italy, a country that has long been tolerant of pederasty.

That said, I am sure the problem of active homosexuality has become much worse in recent decades. No doubt there have always been a lot of priests with homosexual orientations, but I suspect that until recenty the great majority of them either were celibate or practised their vice secretly and with restraint.

1 posted on 04/12/2002 1:40:46 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Gee maybe they are paying the price for the church ordaining homos.
2 posted on 04/12/2002 1:42:45 PM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
gee -- ya think?
3 posted on 04/12/2002 1:44:28 PM PDT by Temple Drake
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To: weikel
If you are saying the Church should not ordain celibate homosexuals, I entirely disagree. The trouble is that, in our sex-obsessed age, very few homosexuals remain celibate any longer.
4 posted on 04/12/2002 1:46:12 PM PDT by aristeides
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After all, the Catholic Church is centered in Italy, a country that has long been tolerant of pederasty.

Thems fighting words! If you want to see a society TRULY in the throes of pederasty, go to England. Even Tony Blair is kind of swishy.

5 posted on 04/12/2002 1:52:24 PM PDT by Clemenza
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Its a risk to children the boy scouts don't knowingly let homosexuals be troop leaders and they don't have this problem I say admit married homosexuals if I remember the Celibacy rule was enacted in the Middle Ages because they didn't want Bishops to have sons who would claim Feudal Birthrights to church lands. No way should homosexuals celibate or otherwise be given jobs near young boys.
6 posted on 04/12/2002 1:53:55 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Clemenza
You're right, of course, about England.
7 posted on 04/12/2002 1:55:08 PM PDT by aristeides
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If the problem is only homosexuality, replacing altar boys with girls might help.
8 posted on 04/12/2002 1:56:06 PM PDT by gcruse
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"If you are saying the Church should not ordain celibate homosexuals, I entirely disagree. The trouble is that, in our sex-obsessed age, very few homosexuals remain celibate any longer.

Besides the fact that the Bible calls it a sin and and abomination. Many Christians fail to remember that Christ talked long and often about how you think is often a sin before the act is ever committed.

It makes me shudder how these practicing Priests could resolve the hypocrisy of their actions against their professed faith.

9 posted on 04/12/2002 1:57:06 PM PDT by txzman
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To: weikel
There have always been homosexual priests, of course, many of them very good men.

Gives an entirely different meaning to the term, "Fruits of the Spirit" now doesn't it?

10 posted on 04/12/2002 1:57:51 PM PDT by N. Theknow
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Well the only way this mess is going to get cleaned up in the USA is if the Pope appoints a special represenative with unlimited powers to purge the system.

No other way is possible since those IN CHARGE are the problem
11 posted on 04/12/2002 1:58:33 PM PDT by uncbob
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Christ, it was embarrassing.

This pretty much sums up the whole problem with the RCC. You'd never hear a good Catholic use Mary's name in vain.

12 posted on 04/12/2002 1:58:52 PM PDT by biblewonk
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To: txzman
how you think is often a sin before the act is ever committed.
13 posted on 04/12/2002 1:59:10 PM PDT by gcruse
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I don't understand his arguement. Vatican II caused all of this?

Pardon my french but, Bull. Priests were molesting alter boys well before Vatican II (you can bet it happened all the way back to the early church). Anglicans (CofE overseas) were involved in molesting there charges along with catholics in the canadian schools for native children (it's going to bankrupt the canadian catholic and anglican churches). This went on all through the 19th and early 20th centuries.

There is not one major orginized religion that has not had a child molester on the pulpit (yep that includes your religion whatever it is). Also schools have this problem. They are attracted to positions of authority with access to children. Simple as that.

14 posted on 04/12/2002 2:00:22 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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but the rot is almost certain to continue, and perhaps grow worse when John Paul II dies. We'd better watch out.

Well he sure hasn't done anything to correct it
15 posted on 04/12/2002 2:00:57 PM PDT by uncbob
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On Thursday in Holy Week, the Pope felt compelled to denounce paedophilia in priests as the work of the Devil

If they are committing the work of the Devil, why are they still priests? I'm not Catholic, so please forgive my igorance, but shouldn't they be at least defrocked by the Church (if not excommunicated) and turned over to the authorities? The Pope can't do the turning over to the authorities, but I would think that he darn sure could excommunicate and/or defrock the offenders. If he's going to be taken seriously, he's got to do something like that.

16 posted on 04/12/2002 2:01:11 PM PDT by Warhammer
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To: txzman
Ooops. Now the rest of the story.

how you think is often a sin before the act is ever committed.

That's why, as they pass the collection plate around, I think
about putting something in it and smilingly pass it along.

17 posted on 04/12/2002 2:02:30 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: txzman
True that sexual thoughts, including homosexual ones, can, at least in Catholic thought, be sinful. To say that the Bible calls them an "abomination," however, seems to me to be going rather far. I don't think you can find me a passage that does this. I think "abomination" applies only to acts.

In any case, the sexual thoughts that are sins are thoughts that one chooses, and luxuriates in. A feeling of attraction that is not chosen cannot be a sin, in Catholic teaching. And it can be a route to good, by, for example, serving as motivation for dedicated teaching.

18 posted on 04/12/2002 2:03:02 PM PDT by aristeides
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In 10 years as an altar boy and 4 years as a lector, at three different parishes, 16 years in Catholic schools (including university) and many years as an adult Catholic I never saw any evidence that any of the priests were homosexual or pederasts. But I wasn't in Boston, either.
19 posted on 04/12/2002 2:03:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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Homosexuality took hold in England before it did here. Maybe we can blame protestant liberalism for that.

England has had a couple bugger boy priests. One was reported in the Target, an English catholic newspaper.

20 posted on 04/12/2002 2:03:51 PM PDT by Aliska
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