Pentagon Releases 5 Security Camera Pics of Plane Hitting Pentagon

FOX News ^ | March 7, 2002 | John Gibson

[codebreaker]

Just saw them on air, you can see the tail of the plane in the 2nd photo.

[TomB]

Do you believe witnesses SOME of the time or ALL of the time?

Obviously the correct answer is "some of the time".

Circumstances and what people say they saw matter. So if a bunch of people say "I saw a plane crash into the Pentagon", I'm likely to believe it, especially since the plane was tracked on radar and we have similar attacks in NYC at virtually the same time, along with other physical evidence (like bits of plane scattered about).

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

You are correct. GMT remains the same. Great Britain changes to BST, British Standard Time, during the summer and back to GMT in the fall. My error.

[It'salmosttolate]

I asked for a picture because I wanted to see one..Duh!

No one up to this point, including you, has given us a picture.

Your contention is what? Inceration? Vaporization?

[kayak]

Great research! Thanks!

[kayak]

Thank you for speaking up about this. It's incredible that an incident with so many eye-witnesses and first hand accounts could be disbelieved.

[dubyagee]

No one up to this point, including you, has given us a picture

If you look at the video in post 194, you can clearly see a blurred object coming in just behind that toll box. If it's not a plane, I can't possibly imagine what else it could be. Tin foil hats should be removed by this time...

[It'salmosttolate]

The plane that crashed in Penn had parts of it found 8 miles away as witnesses by the state police.

So the plane just came apart 8 miles before it went down?

[kayak]

Fantastic! Putting those pics in motion really helps ..... thanks! .... :-)

[El Gato]

My guess is that the security camera in the Pentagon was on International Dateline Military time which in Australia

Doesn't work out right. 9:37 AM EDT would be 21:37, 22:37, or 23:37 THE SAME DAY, in Australia Anyway military generally uses ZULU/Greenich Mean Time/Universal Time, which only 4 hours ahead of EDT.

The international dateline time would be 15 hours ahead of EDT (Greenich +11) making it 00:37, IOW, just after midnight on the 12th.

[TomB]

Your contention is what? Inceration? Vaporization?

Look, this shouldn't be that hard to follow.

We are discussing, for the purposes of example 2 plane crashes. One in the Pentagon (allegedly, for your sake), and Shanksville, PA.

You claim that because of the fact that no tail section was recovered from the Pentagon, it wasn't a plane that caused the explosion.

I then post a picture of the Shanksville crash in which the impact crater is visible, yet there is also no tail section there.

It should be obvious then, that similar planes, with similar fuel loads, going similar speeds, would appear similar when they crash, i.e., no large pieces of debris.

That is the essence of my argument. I mentioned eyewitnesses elsewhere, but that has no bearing on this discussion.

[mlo]

Do you believe witnesses SOME of the time or ALL of the time?

It would be insane to believe witnesses ALL the time. Witnesses are routinely wrong. Never accept witness testimony as absolute, or use it to trump physical evidence.

[El Gato]

Also, at the moment of impact (0937 local, 1437 Z), it would have been 0237 on the 12th, in the Pacific. Concur.

Daylight savings time was in effect on 9-11, did y'all factor that in? EST is Zulu - 5, EDT is thus Zulu - 4.

[Not now, Not ever!]

Could it be the military using "ZULU TIME" or Greenwich Mean (UTC) Time and date?

[RangeRatt]

I am on GMT! Ascension Island, SAO

[eddie willers]

not on daylight savings ...

Let me be anal and point out that it is Daylight Saving Time.
No 'S'
SavingS are what you have in the bank.

[Tennessee_Bob]

Whoever created that page is a nutcase and has never worked with aircraft or in crash recovery.

[El Gato]

Greenwich observes daylight savings time as well.

But Zulu doesn't.

[El Gato]

And the Pentagon is a lot stiffer than the soil in that PA field. However the plane was probably going slower, unknown how much.

[Tennessee_Bob]

A friend of my brother works in the area. They were outside when the jet made it's run into the building. They saw it go overhead, lost it as it passed over the building in front of them, and heard the explosion a few moments later.

[fnord]

OK, I'll take back my 's' (I'm sure I'll have a use for it in the future) ...

now explain to me why people think they are actually 'saving' daylight? I am in Indiana, we avoid the clock-changing lunacy of DST by changing time zones instead. But regardless, it is time for sleep here. See yall.