Pentagon Releases 5 Security Camera Pics of Plane Hitting Pentagon

FOX News ^ | March 7, 2002 | John Gibson

[codebreaker]

Just saw them on air, you can see the tail of the plane in the 2nd photo.

[RadioAstronomer]

Thanks I saw that and thought I was being lumped in. SIGH again. I will go away now.

[fnord]

lol, I know how that goes. For some bizarre reason, I have written several complicated computer programs involving time, time zones, and their offsets. This rather arcane background comes in handy about once a year :-) (not on daylight savings days ... that confuses the heck out of me)

[William Terrell]

Let me say that I have absolutely no problem with a plane hitting the Pentagon. But, I scanned the sequence of pictures on the site posted for about 3 minutes, back and forth. I saw no plane, or any part of a plane.

Again, however the Pentagon got hit, it got hit and if a plane did it, fine with me. Do you understand?

Now, did your business associate actually see the plane hit the building and the explosion follow, or did he or she see the explosion then assume it was a plane because that's what the general announcements were saying?

People do things like that. You should read real transcripts of actual witnesses on the stand under cross examination when a experienced lawyer strips assumptions from a "absolutely sure" testimony. I'm not doubting your friend. I just know people.

You realize that the chances are of just happening to be looking at an exact spot during the fraction of a second a high speed object impacts, don't you? I'm sure you didn't question your associate closely, because you believed it happened, and it would have been intrusive and impolite to grill a friend adversely. But sometimes that's what it takes to separate assumptions integrated with actual witnessed events. Talk to any trial lawyer who knows his job.

[RadioAstronomer]

All I do is work in GMT. LOL!! Getting it backwards make me look like an idiot!

[borntodiefree]

I don't particularly disbelieve the airplane crash, but for people who understand pictures and video, whats the deal with the change of lighting on each of those images and the deal with being able to see the interior of the lens protection on a couple of those pics within a matter of subseconds?

[Amore]

Ok, I'll give you a chance to use your knowledge. WHY is 17 hours the most any place can be ahead of D.C.? And how much is the Phillipines ahead? When my brother was there, I seem to recall it being about 17 hours ahead.

[It'salmosttolate]

Hey that's not fair. Flight 93 has its' own problems.

What Happened to Flight 93?
UNITED FLIGHT 93 SHOT DOWN?
Was United Flight 93 Shot Down by US Fighter?
Ghosts of United Flight 93 Reported , Shanksville, PA
Fighter pilots were ready to shoot down hijacked jet (Flight 93)

[TomB]

Are you disputing that a plane crashed in Shanksville?

(Be careful, I live near there and there are plenty of eyewitnesses)

[Amore]

People do things like that. You should read real transcripts of actual witnesses on the stand under cross examination when a experienced lawyer strips assumptions from a "absolutely sure" testimony.

Now who is it who’s dealing in faulty assumptions? You’re assuming that because a lawyer tears apart a witness’ testimony, the witness was wrong in the first place. In fact, it is just as likely -- more likely -- that the witness was right all along and the lawyer has simply twisted the witness' testimony into knots. It's really more of a parlor trick than a search for the truth.

[It'salmosttolate]

"plenty of eyewitnesses" on flight 800 also. You gonna go with their story too?

[michigander]

I'm outta here...

That's worth $20 to me.
I enjoy the sounds of crickets.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

Greenwich is 5 hours ahead of the eastern time zone not 32. 0937 EDT 11 September would be 1437 GMT 11 September in Greenwich, not 1737 GMT 12 September.

Greenwich Mean Time

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

Greenwich observes daylight savings time as well. The time difference in your time zone remains constant unless you live in those areas, Indiana and Arizona IIRC, that do not participate in daylight savings time.

[TomB]

Here is a portion of a Washington Post article from the day after:

Eyewitnessesin nearby cars and apartments realized something was wrong when they saw a passenger jet traveling fast below treetop level over Interstate 395 just after 9:30 a.m.

Terrance Kean, 35, who lives in a 14-story building near the Pentagon, heard the loud jet engines and glanced out his window.

"I saw this very, very large passenger jet," said the architect, who had been packing for a move. "It just plowed right into the side of the Pentagon . The nose penetrated into the portico. And then it sort of disappeared, and there was fire and smoke everywhere. . . . It was very sort of surreal."

So how did the military fake that?

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[B4Ranch]

Bear in mind that I'm not vouching for any of these statements ! I took them from http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=19882
True statements by real people or fed in by someone trying to cover up the Pentagon damage ? I don't know, you'll have to figure it out for yourselves. Please keep in mind that I love conspiracies and will read almost anything about one. I especially love FACTS, so if you have any on this subject please ping me.

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WITNESS REPORTS
Thu Mar 7 11:47:04 2002
62.30.112.3

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[http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170005.html]

On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window
to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. "I thought, 'There's no
landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,' " he said. Before he could
process that thought, he saw "a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was
in absolute hysterics."

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[http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,550486,00.html]

There was worse to come. A little before 9.30am, reports emerged that
another plane had been hijacked. Within 10 minutes, a medium-sized passenger
plane flew in low over Arlington and the Navy Annexe in Washington DC and
plunged into the Pentagon's south-west face, throwing up a huge fireball.

Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the
road when the plane flew over his head.

"It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane," Mr Campo
said. "I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt
the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I
could never imagine I would see anything like that here."

Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a
traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. "There was a huge
screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody
was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and
down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in."

A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American
Airways 757. "It added power on its way in," he said. "The nose hit, and the
wings came forward and it went up in a fireball."

Smoke and flames poured out of a large hole punched into the side of the
Pentagon. Emergency crews rushed fire engines to the scene and ambulancemen
ran towards the flames holding wooden pallets to carry bodies out. A few of
the lightly injured, bleeding and covered in dust, were recovering on the
lawn outside, some in civilian clothes, some in uniform. A piece of twisted
aircraft fuselage lay nearby. No one knew how many people had been killed,
but rescue workers were finding it nearly impossible to get to people
trapped inside, beaten back by the flames and falling debris.

...

Paul Begala, a Democratic consultant, said he witnessed an explosion near
the Pentagon. "It was a huge fireball, a huge, orange fireball," he said in
an interview on his mobile phone.

He said another witness told him a helicopter exploded. AP reporter Dave
Winslow also saw the crash. He said, "I saw the tail of a large airliner ...
It ploughed right into the Pentagon."

General Richard Myers, vice-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that
before the crash into the Pentagon, military officials had been notified
that another hijacked plane had been heading from the New York area to
Washington.

"We heard what sounded like a missile, then we heard a loud boom," said Tom
Seibert, 33, a network engineer at the Pentagon. "We were sitting there and
watching this thing from New York, and I said, you know, the next best
target would be us. And five minutes later, boom."

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[http://www.humanevents.org/articles/09-17-01/regnery.html]

Eyewitness at the Pentagon
Alfred S. Regnery
The Week of September 17, 2001

When I first moved to Washington from the Midwest, I used to joke that the
commute into town from the Virginia suburbs got my blood circulating for the
day.

...

But no trip along that highway, over more than 20 years, prepared me for
what I saw on September 11.

As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening
on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in
New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple
of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead.

Although airplanes regularly fly over the Pentagon on their way to Reagan
National Airport, just a mile or two south, this plane was too low and going
too fast. As I watched it disappear behind bridges and concrete barriers I
knew it was about to crash.
...

Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose
above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon
billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping
hole where the airplane had hit it.
...

Mr. Regnery is president and publisher of Regnery Publishing, Inc., a sister
company of Human Events.

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[http://www.naualumni.com/News/News.cfm?ID=613&c=4]

Tragedy at the Pentagon - An Eyewitness Report
October 18, 2001

Christine Peterson, ’73 found herself in the thick of last month’s terrorist
tragedy, and submitted this report. It offers a personal perspective on the
events in Washington, D.C., which have perhaps been overshadowed in the
media by the scope of the horrors in New York.

It was 9:30 a.m. on Tuesday, September 11th, and traffic was terrible. For
all of my twenty-eight years living in the Washington, D.C. area, terrible
traffic was a constant.
...

I was at a complete stop on the road in front of the helipad at the
Pentagon; what I had thought would be a shortcut was as slow as the other
routes I had taken that morning. I looked idly out my window to the left --
and saw a plane flying so low I said, “holy cow, that plane is going to hit
my car” (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over. It
was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing.

And then the plane crashed. My mind could not comprehend what had happened.
Where did the plane go? For some reason I expected it to bounce off the
Pentagon wall in pieces. But there was no plane visible, only huge billows
of smoke and torrents of fire. Now I wanted to get as far away as I could,
but that was impossible. The people around me had gotten out of their cars.
At least half had cameras and the others were on their cell phones. I
experienced a moment of irrelevant amazement that so many people had cameras
in their cars.

A few minutes later a second, much smaller explosion got the attention of
the police arriving on the scene. They began ordering people back into
their cars and away. I drove to work knowing that I would not be flying
anywhere for a while. In the office I handled all the details that an
emergency of this magnitude creates.


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[http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/attack.in.their.words/]

Pentagon attack

"I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went right there and
slammed into the Pentagon," eyewitness Mike Walter said of the plane that
hit the military complex.

"Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out, and then
it was just chaos on the highway as people either tried to move around the
traffic and go down either forward or backwards," he said.

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[http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Pentagon_crash_eyewitness_comforted_victims.html]

Pentagon crash eyewitness comforted victims, by Paul Haring
MDW News Service

Washington, D.C., Sept. 28, 2001— Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a
graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of Sept. 11,
when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting
him in a position to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the
Pentagon.

"The traffic was very slow moving, and at one point just about at a
standstill," said McGraw, a Catholic priest at St. Anthony Parish in Falls
Church.

"I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything
at all until the plane was just right above our cars." McGraw estimates that
the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand
lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon.

"The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us,
injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car.

"I saw it crash into the building," he said. "My only memories really were
that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense
that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression," he
said.

"I hadn't heard about the World Trade Center at that point, and so I was
thinking this was an accident. I figured it was just an accident.

"There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember
seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an
explosion of fire billowing through those two windows.

"I remember hearing a gasp or scream from one of the other cars near me.
Almost a collective gasp it seemed. I just knew right away what I needed to
do."

"He literally had the stole in one hand and a prayer book in the other and
in one fluid motion crossed the guardrail," said Mark Faram, a reporter from
the Navy Times who witnessed McGraw in the first moments after the crash.

Within 45 seconds, McGraw was on the lawn of the Pentagon to provide
spiritual comfort to the injured.

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[http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/11/attack-usat.htm]

"(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious
target," said Fred Gaskins, who was driving to his job as a national editor
at USA TODAY near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet
overhead. "It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that
anything was wrong."

Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw
the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided
building that is the headquarters of the nation's military.

'Nobody could believe it'

"There was a big boom," he said. "Everybody was in shock. I turned around to
the car behind me and yelled ‘Did you see that?' Nobody could believe it."

Kizildrgli was found wandering in an Arlington neighborhood about five miles
from the Pentagon an hour after the crash.

Peter Kopf, director of information technology at USA TODAY, was stalled in
traffic about 9:30 a.m. when the jet hit the Pentagon, creating a "huge
fireball."

"People (on the highway) were freaking out," he said. "People were turning
around and driving the opposite way getting out of their cars, talking on
cell phones, crying."

When the Pentagon was struck, Kopf was listening on his car radio to reports
that a second hijacked jet had been crashed into the World Trade Center in
New York City.

"We wanted to get the hell out of (the vicinity of the Pentagon)," he said.
" We felt a second one was imminent (at the Pentagon)."

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[http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-467181.php]

“The plane … exploded in a ground-shaking whoomp”

Navy Times reporter Christopher Munsey was en route to work when he saw this
morning’s attack on the Pentagon. This is his eyewitness account.

ARLINGTON, Va. — Traffic headed south on Interstate 395 just across the
Potomac River and Washington, D.C. was light, but I was late for work and it
was after the thick of the rush hour, about 9:30 a.m.
...

Already dumbfounded by the first, sketchy radio reports of the catastrophic
attack on the World Trade Center towers in New York, I couldn’t believe what
I was now seeing to my right: A silver, twin-engine American Airlines
jetliner gliding almost noiselessly over the Navy Annex, fast, low and
straight toward the Pentagon, just hundreds of yards away.

It was a nightmare coming to life.

The plane, with red and blue markings, hurtled by and within moments
exploded in a ground-shaking “whoomp,” as it appeared to hit the side of the
Pentagon.

A huge flash of orange flame and black smoke poured into the sky. Smoke
seemed to change from black to white, forming a billowing column in the sky.

It all seemed so surreal. Sadly, it’s all too real.

— Christopher Munsey

[TomB]

"plenty of eyewitnesses" on flight 800 also. You gonna go with their story too?

Obviously, considering the fact that you keep changing the topic, you don't have a leg to stand on. But I try to get the discussion back on track anyway.

You asked for a picture of the tail section of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, implying that since there was none, no plane had crashed there. I then posted a picture of the Shanksville crash site, where a similar plane had crashed. That picture showed no tail section either. I then asked if you were ready to say that a plane didn't crash in Shanksville because there was no tail section.

Now, is that what you are saying?

[Defender3]

I'm normally a lurker here, but this thread has spurred my first post. To WIMom & GrammyMoon- I didn't dare post without 1st making a donation.

The 1st picture shows the plane in the lower right hand corner of the photo. Remember that the airliner was an American Airlines aircraft that are bright silver in color. Compare and contrast between frames 1 and 2 and you'll see the aircraft. It's also blury at best because the plane was moving at between 350 and 400mph, and the security camera is focused on a driveway entrance some 500+ feet from the impact area. The five photos are frames from the security camera video.

The aircraft came over the top of the Navy Annex in controlled flight with both engines at full throttle. The plane clipped the light poles on Route 27 causing damage to some of the vehicles on the road at the time. The plane continued in controlled flight until it struck the building between the 1st and 2nd floor of the E-Ring, and at a slight left hand angle to the building's face. The plane did not hit the ground before impacting the building. NOTE: I have pictures of all I speak of, but I have no idea how to post them, and some have yet to be cleared. Also, there were dozens of eye-witnesses to the plane attack that day. You have to remember the Pentagon has 25,000 employees with many more military and civilian workers billeted at the Navy Annex, Henderson Hall, and Rosslyn. Add in the fact that South Parking is right where the attack happened, and you can see how tens of dozens of people were in transit either to and from, or in and out of the building, and who had direct eyes on the attack.

The aircraft's speed, combined with it's mass, carried it some 200+ feet through the building - through the E, D, & C Rings, with wreckage coming to rest in the A&E Drive by B Ring.

The photo in thread 58 is into the events that day as the fires have subsided some and the building is shown collapsed. Photos taken right after the attack clearly show the impact hole the plane created as it sliced through the face of the building, then took out the re-enforced concrete columns every 20 feet or so, but the face and walls of the E-Ring did not collapse for about 30 or so minutes after the impact. If you look in the lower left hand corner of the impact area in picture 58, you can see the left most portion of the impact point as the supporting face and columns of the building are gone in that impact area. The facing and walls of the E-Ring stayed up until the 1600+ degree fires basically melted the already weakened supports.

The front of the building (in post 58) is also a huge debris field, you just can't see the pieces because they are so small in relation to the depth and width of the shot.

[Brett66]

Eyewitness evidence from 100's of people? Ha! You must be part of the conspiracy! I've seen those blurry Pentagon photos and heard the reasoned explanations but I don't want to believe! So there! </stupidity> </tin-foil>

[B4Ranch]

>
In this picture, just to the right and above the fireman on the right is a garbage truck that may be the one that was initially thought to have exploded by some people. I don't know what happened. It is possible that one wing struck the ground, broke off and followed the fuselage into the building. That would account for the smaller impact area than the article author belives necessary.

Also in this picture is evidence of damage to the building on the left where a portion of the wing may have struck it.

sarcasm/ However that still does not explain the lack of pigeon manure on the window sills does it ? /sarcasm