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The Cold Snap That Civilised The World
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2-22-2002 | David Derbyshire

Posted on 02/23/2002 2:33:42 PM PST by blam

The cold snap that civilised the world

By David Derbyshire, Science Correspondent
(Filed: 22/02/2002)

A SUDDEN drop in temperatures 5,000 years ago ushered in the modern climate and may have encouraged the development of complex civilisations around the world.

Researchers studying ancient fish bones off the coast of Peru say the temperature fall heralded El Nino, the periodical warming of the Pacific which brings unusual weather patterns every two to seven years.

The rapidly changing weather, which followed several thousand years of post-Ice Age stability, triggered a new temple building culture in South America. Elsewhere, it may have forced Stone Age people to innovate, generating a period of development and the formation of large cities.

Scientists at the University of Georgia and the University of Maine looked at otoliths, tiny sensory structures in the inner ears of fish that grow in alternating opaque and translucent bands by amounts that reflect sea temperatures.

They report in Science that, before 5,000 years ago, sea temperatures off Peru were around four degrees warmer than they are today.

Suddenly, sea temperatures fell and the cycle of El Nino appeared. In normal years, prevailing winds push warmer surface waters to the Australian side of the Pacific. Cold water from the deeps rises to the surface off Peru. The Americas are dry, while monsoons hit southern Asia.

During El Nino years, however, severe floods and storms hit the west coast of America, while Asia suffers drought.

Although El Nino's arrival made the climate unstable, cooler weather in the intervening years increased the number of small fish and shellfish off America.

The effects of this may have been dramatic, triggering people living on the coast of Peru to build large temples and develop a more complex culture. The same spurt of climate-related development may have taken place across the world.

In Egypt, the drying of southern Egypt west of the Nile may have forced herders to move into the Nile valley, where the ancient Egyptian civilisation emerged a few hundred years later.

Dr Elizabeth Reitz, of the University of Georgia, said: "A change in El Nino frequency and the related increase in upwelling about 5,000 years ago may be related to changes in fishing resources and increased cultural complexity."

Dr Fred Andrus, of the University of Georgia, said: "Our data strengthen the argument that El Nino as we know it began relatively recently, since 5,000 years ago.

"This is more evidence that climate change is the norm, and climate stability is the exception in the Earth's history, even in relatively recent times.

"Given the enormous global impact of El Nino, it is important to understand that climate is a naturally variable system."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; archaeology; catastrophism; dietandcuisine; elnino; ggg; globalwarminghoax; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; huntergatherers; paleoclimatology
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To: capitan_refugio
Here is what the worlds oceans looked like after a decrease in water level of 360 feet. Underwater Map Of The World
21 posted on 02/23/2002 3:49:12 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Cold snap triggers temple building-- that's what's happening in Utah right NOW. Following the Olympics, many new recruits-- despite protests from world community foreboding unwanted proslyting. People came to Utah seeking fun and games, and get answers to questions, as well. Heading home to enlist. Big Boom in temple building to follow.
22 posted on 02/23/2002 3:50:36 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: blam
noah's flood covered the entire earth.....god's word says so.....
23 posted on 02/23/2002 3:54:01 PM PST by is_is
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To: Little Bill
"Spot me 900 plus years, give or take, say 300, probably right on the money, for the first event, step forward 500 years or so for the rest of the events,at regular intervales through say 1200 BC?"

Okay. I have catastropic (worldwide) tree ring events at 2354BC (start bronze age), 1628BC (The Exodus), and 1159BC (David Plague),and 207BC (minor event). Will any of these work?

24 posted on 02/23/2002 3:58:02 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
The Mediterranean refilled several million years ago. It was the Black Lake that was flooded with salt water and probably became the source of the "Great Flood" stories. The Sahara dried out about 5,000 years ago also.
25 posted on 02/23/2002 4:26:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: RightWhale
Temple building is triggered by the fear of god(s). Any changes in the heavens would have been seen as actions of the gods. If those changes were followed by a cataclysmic event on earth such as an asteroid impact, it would certainly be considered as punishment. New temples and sacrifices would be required to appease the angry god(s), and prevent additional punishment. When you consider the fact that the Aztecs practiced human sacrifice until the soldiers of Imperial Spain invaded, the cultural "fear" must have been very deep seated indeed.

"Venus had a psychological effect upon the Maya and other Mesoamerican cultures, it has been shown that the Maya were timing some of their wars based on the stationary points of Venus and Jupiter. Humans were sacrificed on first appearance after Superior Conjunction when Venus was at its dimmest magnitude but they most feared the first Heliacal Rising after Inferior Conjunction." Quoted from This site

26 posted on 02/23/2002 4:29:36 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: blam
#2. The same for the Gulf Of Mexico?

My Brother and I have been discussing that possibility recently. Do you have any reference data or links?

27 posted on 02/23/2002 4:35:40 PM PST by FreeLibertarian
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To: blam
You're missing the East African event of around 3500BC +/-. Remember the Arabian coast on the Persian Gulf was an extention of the Summerian culture until about 2000 +/-BC.
28 posted on 02/23/2002 4:43:11 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: blam
That's a great map.
29 posted on 02/23/2002 4:49:11 PM PST by maro
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To: muawiyah
"The Mediterranean refilled several million years ago. "

I know, 5 million years to be exact. I'm arguing for a 'reduced water level' in the Mediterranean. Click on the link in post #21. See that the Meditteranean is 'sectioned' across Italy/Sicily/Africa with just a 360 foot water drop.
Some think the worlds oceans dropped by 500 ft.
After the last Ice Age, the water crashed through Gilbralter 'dam' then the Italy/Sicily/Africa 'dam' and then the 'dam' at the Bosphorus flooding the Black Sea. Also, notice on the map, no Persian Gulf and a landlocked Red Sea. (Note similar possibilities in the Gulf Of Mexico). This 'refilling' would sure make for a lot of 'flood' stories, huh?

30 posted on 02/23/2002 4:56:35 PM PST by blam
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To: Little Bill
Click here: Meteor Clue To End Of Middle East Civilisations
31 posted on 02/23/2002 5:02:35 PM PST by blam
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To: FreeLibertarian
"My Brother and I have been discussing that possibility recently. Do you have any reference data or links?"

There are some PhD friends of my son (Dr. blam) in SOCAL who are looking into the possibility but, other than a flurry of emails, I've not seen anything published on the subject.

32 posted on 02/23/2002 5:12:47 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
A dramatically smaller human population circa 3000 BC, and rising ocean waters, certainly would combine to make folks believe there was a worldwide flood going on - particularly where basins such as the Black Sea were flooded all at once.
33 posted on 02/23/2002 5:19:33 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The population count was probably much higher than current estimates. If the count was as estimated, we would have died out.
34 posted on 02/23/2002 5:27:12 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: blam
1200 years to late, or the time frame is wrong.
35 posted on 02/23/2002 5:31:05 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: Little Bill
"1200 years to late, or the time frame is wrong."

So, you're looking for an event centered around +- 3500BC? I'll keep my eyes open.

36 posted on 02/23/2002 5:37:53 PM PST by blam
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To: Little Bill
At 1,000 BC the global population estimate is ~50 Million. Don't know what that number would back down to in 3,000 BC, assuming everything else was equal, which it never is...
37 posted on 02/23/2002 5:44:49 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: blam
I'm also lookng for one around 6000 BC, many hints, East Asia, north central, Andes, Northen America, Canada.
38 posted on 02/23/2002 5:50:25 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: LostTribe
The estimate is to small by at least a factor of ten.
39 posted on 02/23/2002 5:55:40 PM PST by Little Bill
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach;JudyB1938;farmfriend;history matters
Bump for 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'
40 posted on 02/23/2002 5:58:38 PM PST by blam
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