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Do you not think America should have supported Ukraine
X ^ | 7/11/2024 | Mike Benz

Posted on 07/13/2024 5:06:55 AM PDT by Haddit

Do you not think America should have supported Ukraine in?

Mike Benz Umm.It's a good question.Umm.It's it's strange for you know, if, if I'm hesitating, it's because.To answer that question, there are so many layers that come before it that I haven't even really honestly had to think about where I actually fall on the underlying issue because the process is so corrupted, which is to say that anybody who is against it is targeted by the state it's effectively.We something called FISA, which has been joked by one of our senators as being, you know, the.Federal investigators stalking Americans. It's basically a way that we live through Russia. Gate this thing where anybody who supported a day taunt with Russia.Um, was, you know, was effectively deemed to be a Putin puppet. And then you could watch a federal investigation, you could bring in indictments and domestic spy craft on, you know, Trump's whole campaign because of his policy of neutrality with, with Russia effectively and or his in his NATO skepticism. They were.Able to argue, you know, that he was effectively a Russian puppet so they spied on his campaign.

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To: Haddit
I think Ukraine’s situation is like the rape and murder of Kitty Genovese.

We can either be like her neighbors, who heard it all and did nothing to help her, or we can choose to help.

Last century, wearied by WWII and the need and struggle to rebuild Europe after the war, not unlike Kitty Genovese’s neighbors, the West looked away as Soviet Russia invaded and assimilated its neighbors.

This time, the West, mostly via NATO, is stepping up with aid and commitments to continue to help Ukraine stay Ukraine.

Is helping Ukraine the right thing to do? Or would it be more morally correct to ignore Ukraine’s pleas for help against its attacker?

I think we should defend our borders and help Ukraine defend its borders, also. That would be consistent with our values and our beliefs as stated in our laws and in our Bill of Rights.

41 posted on 07/13/2024 6:52:40 AM PDT by GBA (Endeavor to persevere. Onward through the fog …)
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To: Haddit
You might find this discussion illuminating:

War in Ukraine is the fault of US and NATO | John Mearsheimer and Lex Fridman

42 posted on 07/13/2024 6:58:54 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Haddit

Ukraine….worst timeshare ever!


43 posted on 07/13/2024 6:59:07 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (If you don't vote, you are part of the rigging.)
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To: Robert DeLong

Apparently he’s not residing in the oblasts where men are being gang-pressed off the streets and sent to the trenches to die, in weeks or even days by the accounts of some miserable souls captured alive.

He is being fed the Big Lie from Kiev, and from even the US on behalf of Kiev, that somehow Ukraine has killed half a million Russians, and tens of thousands more every week. More likely the other way around, seeing the barrage of FABs artillery drones and missiles onto Ukrainian troops in poorly constructed trenches, hiding in buildings and basements, and in more sophisticated bunkers.

This factually distorted fairy tale of casualty counts keeps Uke hope pumped, and the western MIC awash in money collected for weapons.


44 posted on 07/13/2024 7:06:18 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: Haddit

We are making a needless enemy of Russia and pushing it into alliances with scoundrels. Our real enemy is the Biden regime, with leftist allies and billionaire financiers. And the real issue is whose ideology is going to prevail, not sovereignty or who started the fighting.


45 posted on 07/13/2024 7:06:23 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: Robert DeLong

It is so cowardly of you to go behind my back to talk about me. Of course, it is understandable since you could never answer my points and simply hid behind your Ivy League pseudo intellectual zip wad.

Yeah, talk down to Ukrainians some more about their own country like you know something when you’re too much of a pansy to go there and actually learn something.

You are just a stupid and petty man.


46 posted on 07/13/2024 7:13:03 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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To: Socon-Econ

Bull Shit.......Absolute drivel

You support Russia thereby supporting the Axis of Evil that includes Iranian terrorists that are now, today, seeking to kill American sailors in the Red Sea. The same terrorists you now support actively attacked Israel and cowardly, for the umpteenth time, time took hostages for ransom.

Some would call your action treason


47 posted on 07/13/2024 7:19:59 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Almost everything wrong today goes back to Obama and his handlers.

The globohomos never want to talk about the coup they perpetrated in Ukraine during the obama admin. Or about how, after the coup, their faggot hero started bombing eastern Ukraine, which was mostly comprised of Russian peoples.

But now we are told to believe that Putin is Hitler for wanting to stop the bombings and protect Russian people in Eastern Ukraine.

All because of Obama deep state sycophants meddling in Ukraine and subverting ‘democracy’ there.

They have put us on a path to ww3 and on a path to boots on the ground on the other side of the world.


48 posted on 07/13/2024 7:21:31 AM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: bert

Not a penny for foreign wars, and if you feel the need, pick up a gun and offer your service to The Zelensky!


49 posted on 07/13/2024 7:23:12 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

Isolationists like you are a threat to national security.


50 posted on 07/13/2024 7:24:02 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: Jonty30

Hold free and fair elections right now and I’d revisit my support for UKR


51 posted on 07/13/2024 7:25:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Jonty30

“Ukraine did not bargain in good faith with Moscow. It was just used to try and siphon Moscow’s resources with the intent of breaking up Russia.”

Total nonsense.


52 posted on 07/13/2024 7:25:41 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Haddit

No! Certainly not to this extent. We are treating the Ukraine as though it has become our 51st state!


53 posted on 07/13/2024 7:25:53 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: Haddit
How many wars are there in the world? War and Peace - Our World in Data As the chart shows, at least 150 ongoing armed conflicts have been recorded each year recently. This number is up from previous decades, but even then, it rarely fell below 100, and there has been no year without armed conflict for centuries. Google

How many of these 150 wars should American taxpayers spend billions of dollars on? And after these 150 wars end, how many of these countries should we rebuild?

54 posted on 07/13/2024 7:25:54 AM PDT by GOPJ (Trump was NOT Hitler last time. He won't be a dictator this time. Democrats and the MSM lie. )
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To: bert
RUSSIA!

RED SEA!

HOUTHIS!

CHINA!

AXIS OF SHMUCKS!

TREASON!

ISOLATION!


55 posted on 07/13/2024 7:29:09 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: imabadboy99

Almost everything wrong today goes back to Obama and his handlers.

The globohomos never want to talk about the coup they perpetrated in Ukraine during the obama admin. Or about how, after the coup, their faggot hero started bombing eastern Ukraine, which was mostly comprised of Russian peoples.
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Exactly. And don’t forget all the false flagging by Bolton and his fellow Democrats: Russia elected Trump; Russia had Asad wage chemical warfare against his own people; Russia blew-up its own pipeline; etc.


56 posted on 07/13/2024 7:30:27 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: Haddit; All

I’m a wheat and soybean farmer here in central Kansas who also raises cattle. I’m also a pragmatist, like everyone I know. So the question I must ask is: How did U.S. involvement in Ukraine benefit me, my neighbors, the people of the United States in general? I don’t see any benefit.


57 posted on 07/13/2024 7:33:54 AM PDT by kawhill (kawhill)
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To: LastDayz

Territorial dispute. Russia is never giving back Russian speaking Oblasts. This isn’t the Cold War and NATO’s treaty was finished when the Soviet Union collaped.Mission accomplished. America has its own border war to contend with.


58 posted on 07/13/2024 7:37:35 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: Pete Dovgan

“I think Obama/Biden, Soros, and the CIA should have never got involved in Ukraine. If they hadn’t, there would still be peace.”

So, Putin/Russian overt and covert actions to (1) try to assassinate Ukraine leaders, (2) create a proxy war situation in the Donbas, (3) subvert the democratic processes in Ukraine to get a Ukriane leader pliable to Putin demands, all meant NOTHING and required no response by Ukraine or anyone else? Nonsense.

“I think that the CIA and the dirty politicians here that were profiteering from Ukraine should have been outed instead of impeaching a sitting POTUS for asking about the kickbacks”.

Which politicians besides Hunter Biden were getting kickbacks from Ukrainians? And how do they matter at all in relation to Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine? What that such things which are common in Russia with Putin’s mobacracy are a cause for war, by Putin, if they happen in Ukraine? More total nonsense.

“I think Putin shouldn’t have invaded. I think Joe Biden should have given Ukraine so many fighters that it would be impossible for the Russians to use helicopters or any other aircraft over the battlefield.”

Finally something somewhat sensible.

But a strong U.S. president did not even need to do that. A strong U.S. president (maybe a Trump) could have and should have said to Putin: If you are concerned about Ukraine joining NATO, then I can assure you that a Russian invastion of Urkaine will GUARANTEE that will happen, as a direct result of such an invasion, and sooner more likely than later.


59 posted on 07/13/2024 7:38:00 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Robert DeLong

“No western nation bargained with Russia in good faith”

How so???


60 posted on 07/13/2024 7:39:27 AM PDT by Wuli
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