Do you not think America should have supported Ukraine

Do you not think America should have supported Ukraine in?

Mike Benz Umm.It's a good question.Umm.It's it's strange for you know, if, if I'm hesitating, it's because.To answer that question, there are so many layers that come before it that I haven't even really honestly had to think about where I actually fall on the underlying issue because the process is so corrupted, which is to say that anybody who is against it is targeted by the state it's effectively.We something called FISA, which has been joked by one of our senators as being, you know, the.Federal investigators stalking Americans. It's basically a way that we live through Russia. Gate this thing where anybody who supported a day taunt with Russia.Um, was, you know, was effectively deemed to be a Putin puppet. And then you could watch a federal investigation, you could bring in indictments and domestic spy craft on, you know, Trump's whole campaign because of his policy of neutrality with, with Russia effectively and or his in his NATO skepticism. They were.Able to argue, you know, that he was effectively a Russian puppet so they spied on his campaign.

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@MrWinMarshall
Do you not think America should have supported Ukraine in?

Mike Benz
Umm.It’s a good question.Umm.It’s it’s strange for you know, if, if I’m hesitating, it’s because.To answer that question, there are so many layers that come before it that I haven’t even really honestly had to think about where I actually fall on the underlying issue because the process is so corrupted, which is to say that anybody who is against it is targeted by the state it’s effectively.We something called FISA, which has been joked by one of our senators as being, you know, the.Federal investigators stalking Americans. It’s basically a way that we live through Russia. Gate this thing where anybody who supported a day taunt with Russia.Um, was, you know, was effectively deemed to be a Putin puppet. And then you could watch a federal investigation, you could bring in indictments and domestic spy craft on, you know, Trump’s whole campaign because of his policy of neutrality with, with Russia effectively and or his in his NATO skepticism. They were.Able to argue, you know, that he was effectively a Russian puppet so they spied on his campaign.

@MrWinMarshall
These five things happening today in Britain with Nigel Farage is a speech that’s emerged from.Emerged from that he made after the Maidan coup.Uh, back in 2014, saying that we, there will be a war with this is provocative. There will be a war and all, all the mainstream media is coming out after him and saying he’s a Putin apologist and he’s even outright condemned Putin.Very much anti Putin, but because of him making this prediction, he’s been called the Putin apologist. I think it’s a continuation of

Mike Benz
it’s it’s the same. Thing and so I think the way I would answer the question is.If you took the gun off of my head, where, where, where the state, the regime, the NGO’s, the cut outs, the media, the, the lawyers, the federal investigators all said, hey, you know what? If you don’t, you know, if you have your own opinion on the Ukraine war, I’ll put the gun down.Then maybe I’d think about it, say, OK, well maybe, maybe we can now talk about whether or not it actually redounds to US interests to try to secure these $12.4 trillion in in the natural resource. Whether it redounds to our benefit to have this elaborate CIA State Department operation to kill Gazprom and pry all the profits off with this endogenous.You know Ukraine.Petro industry and lifeline by all these, you know, U.S. oil and gas companies, British companies like Shell maybe.But the answer is a hard no while they still have a gun to my head. Because you can’t.you can’t do that

@MrWinMarshall
OK OK, so let’s say there’s no gun to your head.Like let’s say you were.Running the country. You were president when that happened. What would your decision have been to do?

Mike Benz
Feel like that is a.Irresponsible.For in my position, that feels like a hypothetical that is kind of irresponsible for me to indulge in because.The the there is got to my head.

@MrWinMarshall
OK. And so the point of the question is it’s.Easy to criticize and criticize and criticize, but practically speaking.There has to be like, what would have been the better thing to do there, there, there has to be some sort of alternative, right?

Mike Benz
Well, if there’s not so.The censorship industry runs through through the story in a huge way. The censorship industry grew out of Ukraine that the whole.Infrastructure of censorship that Americans live under.And inherited during the 2016 election. Presidential election cycle came from the 2014 US UK overthrow of the Ukrainian democratically elected government when when we orchestrated that coup when the head of the US embassy was personally handing out cookies and water bottles.To the January 6th style protesters surrounding the parliament building pumping them full of money. When our own senators like John McCain were there on the ground calling for a transition of the government.

When we overthrew that government and then did not expect the blowback, did not expect the counter coup when the entire eastern side.Of of Ukraine broke away and declared himself a breakaway state.In 2014 and when Crimea voted in its referendum to formally join the Russian Federation, this set off a total crisis across NATO and it and called for a fundamental reimagining of how NATO understood warfare. This gave rise to something which I’ve talked a lot about, you know, first was called the Trump Doctrine and it was called hybrid warfare, and now it’s sort of.Shark power.

But it was essentially this idea that NATO could no longer just be a military alliance, had to expand his mandate. And this is a direct quote from Jen Stellenberg, from tanks to tweets. The reason that we lost in Ukraine was because we lost the information war. We’ve lost. We lost to Russian propaganda infecting the minds of Ukrainians.And it was Russian propaganda was infecting the minds of Germans because at the time the German Afd party was on the rise.

They were running on restoring gas relations with Russia because they were, you know, mostly a sort.Working class, sort of like Trump. Trumpism they were running on sort of.You know, because the sanctions that the US State Department and UK Foreign Office effectively imposed on all these different other European countries after Crimea to sanction Russian gas, which was the cheapest gas.

The alternative was LNG, liquefied natural gas harvested in Houston liquefy ship 5000 miles across the Atlantic.You know delique fied and ports and Portugal or and through the Baltic straight into Poland. You know deliquency transported that that’s.Orders of magnitude more expensive than Russia, which means the industry suffer, which means the middle class suffers the the the welfare safety net suffers.

So ASD was running on restoring gas relations with Russia with Russia Marine Le Pen was was running on the same in from from.From France, so is the box party in Spain and so NATO is saying Oh my God these right wing populist parties are all, you know, running on this.Economic nationalist, what’s best for us don’t care what the US or UK says about, you know, being a good global citizen and sanctioning Russia. We wanna do what’s economically best for our own middle class citizens. And so our intelligence state, the the trans military alliance of NATO at that point in 2014 declared this hybrid warfare.Doctor and said war is actually not about tanks anymore, it’s about tweets. It’s about control over social media because we lost to Russia without Russia firing a bullet.

Crimea voted itself to join the Russian Federation. So.That you can win a you know, it’s the same thing as if they enrolled into Crimea with tanks and submarines. They now control it because they elected, you know, because of the referendum of the people or where they getting their information, they’re getting it through online news sites, they’re getting it through RT and Sputnik and through social media and through Telegram and so.It’s so all war is now more about who’s got the best.You know missiles and who’s got the best anti aircraft.

They were talking in 2017 in your in in NATO periodicals that the age of conventional warfare was ended forever. Frankly, I think this move into control over information actually left them under prepared for what happened in 2022 because they were talking like war will never happen again because at the time NATO had never had to fire her.Support ever ever since 1949 it had only been offense in 1995 with the Islamia 1999 Libya 2011/2013. And so.It from 2014, 2016, because of what happened in Ukraine, NATO began to establish these censorship cells from all stretching all the way from Germany to Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia,

these, they call them centers of excellence for strategic communications. They had all these fancy names, but they were censorship coordinating.Where they work with YouTube, they work with Facebook, they work with Twitter, they brought them all in they fill these social media companies up to the brim with CIA intermediaries, with British intelligence intermediaries and they developed this censorship technology these these these NLP, these AI censorship techniques to be able to scan the Internet at scale and look at what.You know, people were saying on the inner part of the trending narratives, and it was then when Brexit happened in June 2016 and the Trump election happened in November 2016, that this censorship architecture coming out of their loss of Ukraine was grafted onto U.S. citizens.

And you know that history is unforgivable.I cannot entertain while the gun is still to my head and to all of my friends heads and all my colleagues heads and half of Congress’s heads and the end of the, you know, the current winning in the polls presidential election.The cancer has spread in our body because they’ve held that gun to our heads for so long. They have effectively ended the 1st amendment in my country using using this Ukraine excuse.

They the right now the Biden administration is arguing to our Supreme Court that the 1st Amendment is effectively outdated, needs to be wholesale reimagined.Because just as the Second Amendment did not envision assault rifles, democracy did not envision in our First Amendment social media, the power of everyone to be our own publisher undermines US National Security and prohibits the federal government coordination

@MrWinMarshall
This month in Missouri,

Mike Benz
yes, yes, they are making this argument that that the.The crisis of democracy from, you know, from Ukraine into COVID into into into presidential elections now requires government control over the information ecosystem, or at least.Government influence on it in order to quarterback what the what the independent media does. So it’s not independent. The quarterback with the civil society institutions are doing the quarterback with the technology companies are doing well guess what you call that and you know.Five years ago we called that North Korea.

That is government control of the information ecosystem. This is the same thing our State Department passed sanctions on North Korea for doing in 2017, past sanctions on Iran for doing. We don’t recognize elections as being free and fair unless there is a free and open independent media ecosystem. That is one of our seven measures for determining.Whether we would we formally acknowledge the results of an election Now, of course, this is a cynical because.That’s when a government, you know, does not allow our CIA or State Department US aid or ND backed groups to be able to spread their propaganda.

And I don’t even mean that majoritively. I mean, that’s the utility of this thing is that we built free speech as an instrument of statecraft in order to.Bolster support for political movements. But what I’m driving at here is.I will not even entertain because my, my answer is a hard no. I do not support the the US agenda on, on Ukraine and infinite monopoly money, you know, unaccountable or even with a, with a, with a fair amount on it. While our entire censorship industrial complex, while the entire finances of the censorship industry is built on the.back of it. You can ask me that question again once that whole system is dismantled.

Since it was a big money scheme, no.
Ukraine did not bargain in good faith with Moscow. It was just used to try and siphon Moscow’s resources with the intent of breaking up Russia.

The use of the negative “not” in the title makes the question hard to interpret.

It really didn’t have a title, I just used the first line.

Not our monkey.

This whole fiasco has been a disaster from the beginning, which could have been avoided.

It came about from incompetence, greed and corruption.

To selectively choose one part makes this a foolish question.

Supported = Intervened

Mike Benz and Russell Brand
https://rumble.com/v4x6w5b-hes-exposing-soros-and-clinton-like-never-before.html
5/25/2024
Russell Brand has Mike Benz on his show to discuss how Soros and the CIA use Statecraft to manipulate and destabilize people and currencies to sweep in and buy discounted industries.

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Russell Brand:
That they’re just take a few examples that George Soros and Bill Gates are actually evil. Like, you know, with Bill Gates. I’ve got my own understanding the significance of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, that their influence over something like The Who, their investment in vaccines, their acquisition of farmland, they’re misadventures.In India and on the continent of Africa, when it comes to agriculture, their promotion of synthetic foods, they’re odd intrusion into areas of legislature, health policy, that doesn’t seem right. I have a bit of an understanding when it comes to Bill Gates. Extraordinary. There’s another person that’s, you know, a tech giant and their tech.Entrepreneur, billionaire and philanthropist. I wonder withdraw Soros. He was a sort of one of those because I don’t know much about except like when he’s attacked people say, hey, that’s anti-Semitic and his conspiracy theory, understand that he’s a Jewish man. Pretty recently I heard that when the Clinton Foundation were over in Haiti, ostensibly.Helping Haiti in a way that in retrospect looks pretty clumsy. We’re here to help you. Please get your help off of us. And like, the money was spent in all sorts of weird, clumsy ways. And even when you see video footage of a sort of a younger, sleeker Hillary Clinton leading George Soros, peculiarly.Through the wreckage of Haiti, even though that’s before many of their subsequent disasters. You feel like what’s going on why is this guy there what’s happening? So can you explain to us these figures that defenders of. So he’s having to worry about when it comes to Bill Gates. He’s just as nice dude or George Soros. There’s no problem there. I mean I I’ve heard for example that George Soros.Benefits in some way from the conflict between Ukraine and Russia with regard to oil. But I don’t understand that. And I wonder if you could help me to understand it, please, Mike.

Mike Benz:
No, this is important to keep in mind because George Soros is not just like a player in this, the annual contributions just to the DNC in the last election cycle.George Soros contributed $100 million to the DNC. The second biggest owner was only 40 million.

So George Soros was 2 1/2 times bigger than anybody else in terms of a donor. So he dominates the political leadership of the Democrat Party in the US But this is a very much a global story.

So let’s sort of start with the George Soros origin story. In 1979, George Soros was a partner.At a hedge fund in New York who primarily concentrated on doing foreign currency speculation, that is betting using New York financial firm, you know, assets under management on the direction of currencies in Eastern Europe in the middle of the Cold War, he creates the Open Society Foundation.In his own words is a tax loophole for his children, for Alex Soros in South Africa in 1979.

But then he lucks his way into the windfall of a lifetime when Ronald Reagan becomes president in 1980. And this new doctrine of using NGO statecraft, using the National Endowment for Democracy, as I mentioned that.That same thing that Hunter Biden was on the board of and that was created explicitly by the CIA Director to have non CIA fingerprints on funding of CIA assets In 1982 83.

The ND (I think this is National Democratic Institute) gets set up and Reagan expands this doctrine of working through ND cutouts and working through the web of civil society.Organizations and NGOs to do CIA back color revolutions particularly in Central and Eastern Europe which was the main hot zone of the Cold War so Hungary, Poland, Germany well the Cold War was global these exact countries where the biggest hot zones of spy versus spy of the CIA versus the AGB and they were the crown jewel of, you know, the the prize for winning the Cold War, when Hungary toppled its communist government and became part of the sort of NATO Western world, when Poland toppled its government with Lequel Lessa and the Solidarity movement there, when, you know, Germany reunified George Soros.Teamed up in the early 1980s when this collaboration was being set up so that the Open Society Foundations, their offices in all of those different countries, would function as State Department and CIA vassals for the student groups and the revolutionary St. muscle that would take to the streets.In a show of force or would destabilize or shut down the economy or the governance functions of the ruling communist regime in order to orchestrate those revolutions.

George Where did Soros basically took this open society model and set up basically satellites in all the different regions that the CIA and State Department were running government, toppling the blueprints in? And so his own universities, his own NGO’s, his own, you know, sort of civil society organizations.We’re being used in order to help the CIA and State Department overthrew those governments. Well, that’s a great gig if you happen to simultaneously be running a hedge fund speculating on the direction of those currencies because you have an advance six month, 12 month, five year.Head start in terms of the direction of that currency, because you know that the CIA is going to overthrow that government in either prop it up or crush it. So you can short it and make a massive, massive windfall, for example, if you know that it’s going to be destabilized and he was tasked by the Reagan State Department to do that destabilization.Work and they were getting.10s of millions of dollars to help facilitate that again, through this, through this money network.

And so Soros became a bipartisan BLOB apparatus. He was best friends with John McCain. You know, you may have seen pictures of them where they’re so close to each other smiling, you think they’re about to start making out John McCain.By the way, was not just, you know, this very powerful senator for two decades here in the US. He was not just the man, you know, who the BLOB was deciding between in the 2008 presidential election when the choice was between John McCain and Barack Obama, but John McCain was also the founder and the president for 25 years of the.Hunter Biden Democratic Institute when the NYPD was created, when the CIA created the National Endowment for Democracy.It simultaneously created two different spindles, 2 branches of the NED subsidiaries that are wholly funded and controlled by the N D1 ( think this is NDI) was for Democrat stakeholders called the NDI, which Hunter Biden sits on the board of the Madeleine Albright former Secretary of State runs. It also created the RNC, the Republican branch. You can think of this like the CIA.If the Democrat Party in the CIA wing of the Republican Party, the Republican branch of the ND is called the IRI, the International Republican Institute, who founded and ran that for 25 years, it was John McCain.

So John McKean became the you know, the the essentially the Republican bipartisan branch of the Soros operation. This is why you have sort of a kind of even though it source is known as a sort of left wing figure he is.Supported by half of the Republican Party, and he makes selective contributions and bolsters. You know, these are folks like Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney’s on the board of the IRI. Mitt Romney, by the way, is who ran for president for the Republic. He was a Republican Party nominee for the 2012 presidential election. And he’s also the one who led the impeachment of the populist, nationalist sort of representative.The wing of the Republican Party, Trump, you know, during the impeachment over the Ukraine.

Amazing. Remember they impeached Trump because he threatened to withhold military aid to Ukraine, IE the exact financial investments of this same class that I just mentioned. And this also gets the, the, the Soros story in Ukraine.Ukraine is in debt to the IMF and the World Bank.George Soros functions as a sort of financial intermediary between what the IMF, the creditors and the IMF and the World Bank need done to get their debts were paid and the political actions that countries need to take in order to pay off that debt.

Often what that involves is privatizing industries that are held by the state.Selling them and then using the proceeds of that sale to pay off the IMF and the World Bank, if you know the IMF and the World Bank are going to force a fire sale of a major trillion dollar industry in that country.Well then guess what? If you are a corporation or a financial firm and you know this is gonna happen, you get a bargain basement discount price to be able to swoop in and take over that industry when it undergoes that privatization.

George Soros explicitly laid out in a series of documents you can look up that were called.The blue leaks are also called hashtag DC leaks. These were George Soros IMF coordination documents to coordinate the sale of NAFTA gas, the privatization of Naftogas in an IMF deal. Now again,Naftogas is the state gas giant of Ukraine. It is Ukraine’s entire economy.OK, Ukraine’s entire economy is that it runs the gas transit points from Russia into Europe. Which used to be 100% of gas into Europe from World War Two essentially up until 2022.

Technically they went through a gas diversification program in the in the early 2000s that the State Department coerced Europe to do to buy more expensive American gas in order to diversify off off of Russia. When Putin started to use gas diplomacy to reassert.Russia on the world stage.

So George Soros and Vladimir Putin were locked in a death battle for control over NAFTA gas because NAFTA gas was basically split on its board between the NATO side and the Russia side, because all of Russia’s economy was based on these Russian gas transits. And So what NATO?Work to do was diversify the gas transit so that they started from the Permian Basin, Houston, they were ported in through the Baltic Sea to run through terminals in Poland to connect to Naftogas.

And so Naftogas would be Ukraine would still be getting billions of dollars of gas transit money, but the starting point would be U.S. companies and British companies.Rather than the Russian government. And you can argue that that’s in, you know, the national interests of American citizens were British citizens.

But you know, at the end of the day, it is still a dirty tricks operation. And that flies in the face of 100 years of are, you know, free trade, free trade policies, if you will. But George Soros was the battering ram for for orchestrating that.And for privatizing Naftogas and prying it off of Russia.

And so George Soros funding essentially the Democrat Party and and funding the political operatives who are spearheading the Ukraine situation.It’s perfect for his own financial empire because he is the one who’s investing in natural gas and whose own portfolio companies in his own investment funds are invested in the endogenous gas industry in Ukraine.

So he is basically bribing US and British officials to take the battering ram of of their of their military and.CIA to pull off the operation that benefits his own financial portfolio companies.

The last thing I’ll say is you can go on my Twitter right now at Mike Ben Cyber type in in the search bar at Mike Benz Cyber Soros Empire and you will see a direct quote from George Soros himself where he is bragging on tape.That he created the Soros Empire by quote, picking up the pieces of the fading Soviet empire to create the Soros Empire out of the Soviet empire collapsed, and as the empire collapsed, moved in and picked up the pieces first.In Hungary in 1984.And and then Poland in in 87, China in 87 as well.

And so this is how the this what I’m thesaurus Empire.Uh.And these, these placing the Soviet empire. So he was, you know, that meme of two photographs and you look at them, you say it’s the same picture when you see NATO and you see Soros. They’re the same picture when you see the US State Department of the UK Foreign Office and you see Soros. It’s the same picture when you see the CIA or British intelligence and then you see a picture of George Soros.It’s the same picture, the one BLOB. Bloody hell, Mike, that was amazing. We didn’t even get a chance to get to the Hillary Clinton kill list, which I was looking forward to, particularly given that we’re probably both on it. There’s a great conversation.But let’s spit out my water.and maybe a little something extra in that water you keep carrying on the way you both hey thanks for watching if you wanna see more uncensored content where free speech can flourish join our live stream click the link right here to watch the next video if you want to or become a member of a

I think Obama/Biden, Soros, and the CIA should have never got involved in Ukraine. If they hadn’t, there would still be peace.

I think that the CIA and the dirty politicians here that were profiteering from Ukraine should have been outed instead of impeaching a sitting POTUS for asking about the kickbacks.

I think Putin shouldn’t have invaded. I think Joe Biden should have given Ukraine so many fighters that it would be impossible for the Russians to use helicopters or any other aircraft over the battlefield. As well as shorting the legs of the Russian artillery by hunting it from the air and preventing logistic reinforcements.

Then again, what do I know. I just am weary of watching farmers and average Joe’s die in stupid wars.

It was/is the official U.S. Congressional Money LaundryMat...
You don’t want our fine, upstanding overseers to retire poor and broke, do ya? Well, do ya???? /s

The question is better framed, Should a systemically corrupt nation that is an international money laundry be protected when its neighbor comes after it?

We shouldn’t have pushed against previous agreements up to Russia’s border, we shouldn’t have executed a coup in Ukraine in 2014, we shouldn’t have been all over Ukraine for money laundering and other corrupt purposes throughout, and we shouldn’t have been funding and supporting war in Ukraine, which has hurt Ukrainians more than anyone in response to it all.

It came about from incompetence, greed and corruption.

As long as the NWO turns a profit, it's all good.

No western nation bargained with Russia in good faith. It was automatically determined that Russia was the aggressor, while our actions were whitewashed as if our actions played no role onto the friction that finally escalated the friction into a kinetic war.

However, if Russia had been threatening the U.S. in similar fashion using a proxy, we would have done the very same thing, invaded that proxy nation that presented the threat directly as the proxy nation being directed by Russia.

In Russia's situation it was not just a single nation, it was a collection of nations known as NATO that was presenting the threat.

The only disappointment I have with Benz is that he didn't expand on the degree of threat that was foisted upon Russian, and no I am not a Russian apologist, I'm just stating facts.

The question is irrelevant

It matters only to isolationist malcontents

No we should not have supported Ukraine, evry country in Europe is Socialist and very corrupt.

We should have built our wall and protected our own border

Good post, thanks. I don’t know how, if people would just look at recent (last decade) Ukraine history, they would support the war in Ukraine.

Soros Admits Responsibility for Coup and Mass Murder in Ukraine
27 May 2014 | Infowars
https://justice4poland.com/2014/05/28/soros-admits-responsibility-for-coup-and-mass-murder-in-ukraine/

“Well, I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. And the foundation has been functioning ever since and played an important part in events now,” Soros responded.

It is well-known, although forbidden for the establishment media to mention, that Soros worked closely with USAID, the National Endowment for Democracy (now doing work formerly assigned to the CIA), the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the Freedom House, and the Albert Einstein Institute to initiate a series of color revolutions in Eastern Europe and Central Asia following the engineered collapse of the Soviet Union.

“Many of the participants in Kiev’s ‘EuroMaidan’ demonstrations were members of Soros-funded NGOs and/or were trained by the same NGOs in the many workshops and conferences sponsored by Soros’ International Renaissance Foundation (IRF), and his various Open Society institutes and foundations. The IRF, founded and funded by Soros, boasts that it has given ‘more than any other donor organization’ to ‘democratic transformation’ of Ukraine,” writes William F. Jasper.

This transformation led to fascist ultra-nationalists controlling Ukraine’s security services. In April it was announced Andriy Parubiy and other coup leaders were working with the FBI and CIA to defeat and murder separatists opposed to the junta government installed by Victoria Nuland and the State Department. Parubiy is the founder of a national socialist party in Ukraine and currently the boss of the country’s National Security and Defense Council.

Now that the billionaire “chocolate king” Petro Poroshenko is president of Ukraine, the effort to wipe out all opposition in eastern Ukraine will pick up steam. Poroshenko is a near perfect choice for the globalists and EU apparatchiks. He sat on the Council of the National Bank of Ukraine and collaborated with the IMF, Wall Street and the European Commission.