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@MrWinMarshall
Do you not think America should have supported Ukraine in?

Mike Benz
Umm.It’s a good question.Umm.It’s it’s strange for you know, if, if I’m hesitating, it’s because.To answer that question, there are so many layers that come before it that I haven’t even really honestly had to think about where I actually fall on the underlying issue because the process is so corrupted, which is to say that anybody who is against it is targeted by the state it’s effectively.We something called FISA, which has been joked by one of our senators as being, you know, the.Federal investigators stalking Americans. It’s basically a way that we live through Russia. Gate this thing where anybody who supported a day taunt with Russia.Um, was, you know, was effectively deemed to be a Putin puppet. And then you could watch a federal investigation, you could bring in indictments and domestic spy craft on, you know, Trump’s whole campaign because of his policy of neutrality with, with Russia effectively and or his in his NATO skepticism. They were.Able to argue, you know, that he was effectively a Russian puppet so they spied on his campaign.

@MrWinMarshall
These five things happening today in Britain with Nigel Farage is a speech that’s emerged from.Emerged from that he made after the Maidan coup.Uh, back in 2014, saying that we, there will be a war with this is provocative. There will be a war and all, all the mainstream media is coming out after him and saying he’s a Putin apologist and he’s even outright condemned Putin.Very much anti Putin, but because of him making this prediction, he’s been called the Putin apologist. I think it’s a continuation of

Mike Benz
it’s it’s the same. Thing and so I think the way I would answer the question is.If you took the gun off of my head, where, where, where the state, the regime, the NGO’s, the cut outs, the media, the, the lawyers, the federal investigators all said, hey, you know what? If you don’t, you know, if you have your own opinion on the Ukraine war, I’ll put the gun down.Then maybe I’d think about it, say, OK, well maybe, maybe we can now talk about whether or not it actually redounds to US interests to try to secure these $12.4 trillion in in the natural resource. Whether it redounds to our benefit to have this elaborate CIA State Department operation to kill Gazprom and pry all the profits off with this endogenous.You know Ukraine.Petro industry and lifeline by all these, you know, U.S. oil and gas companies, British companies like Shell maybe.But the answer is a hard no while they still have a gun to my head. Because you can’t.you can’t do that

@MrWinMarshall
OK OK, so let’s say there’s no gun to your head.Like let’s say you were.Running the country. You were president when that happened. What would your decision have been to do?

Mike Benz
Feel like that is a.Irresponsible.For in my position, that feels like a hypothetical that is kind of irresponsible for me to indulge in because.The the there is got to my head.

@MrWinMarshall
OK. And so the point of the question is it’s.Easy to criticize and criticize and criticize, but practically speaking.There has to be like, what would have been the better thing to do there, there, there has to be some sort of alternative, right?

Mike Benz
Well, if there’s not so.The censorship industry runs through through the story in a huge way. The censorship industry grew out of Ukraine that the whole.Infrastructure of censorship that Americans live under.And inherited during the 2016 election. Presidential election cycle came from the 2014 US UK overthrow of the Ukrainian democratically elected government when when we orchestrated that coup when the head of the US embassy was personally handing out cookies and water bottles.To the January 6th style protesters surrounding the parliament building pumping them full of money. When our own senators like John McCain were there on the ground calling for a transition of the government.

When we overthrew that government and then did not expect the blowback, did not expect the counter coup when the entire eastern side.Of of Ukraine broke away and declared himself a breakaway state.In 2014 and when Crimea voted in its referendum to formally join the Russian Federation, this set off a total crisis across NATO and it and called for a fundamental reimagining of how NATO understood warfare. This gave rise to something which I’ve talked a lot about, you know, first was called the Trump Doctrine and it was called hybrid warfare, and now it’s sort of.Shark power.

But it was essentially this idea that NATO could no longer just be a military alliance, had to expand his mandate. And this is a direct quote from Jen Stellenberg, from tanks to tweets. The reason that we lost in Ukraine was because we lost the information war. We’ve lost. We lost to Russian propaganda infecting the minds of Ukrainians.And it was Russian propaganda was infecting the minds of Germans because at the time the German Afd party was on the rise.

They were running on restoring gas relations with Russia because they were, you know, mostly a sort.Working class, sort of like Trump. Trumpism they were running on sort of.You know, because the sanctions that the US State Department and UK Foreign Office effectively imposed on all these different other European countries after Crimea to sanction Russian gas, which was the cheapest gas.

The alternative was LNG, liquefied natural gas harvested in Houston liquefy ship 5000 miles across the Atlantic.You know delique fied and ports and Portugal or and through the Baltic straight into Poland. You know deliquency transported that that’s.Orders of magnitude more expensive than Russia, which means the industry suffer, which means the middle class suffers the the the welfare safety net suffers.

So ASD was running on restoring gas relations with Russia with Russia Marine Le Pen was was running on the same in from from.From France, so is the box party in Spain and so NATO is saying Oh my God these right wing populist parties are all, you know, running on this.Economic nationalist, what’s best for us don’t care what the US or UK says about, you know, being a good global citizen and sanctioning Russia. We wanna do what’s economically best for our own middle class citizens. And so our intelligence state, the the trans military alliance of NATO at that point in 2014 declared this hybrid warfare.Doctor and said war is actually not about tanks anymore, it’s about tweets. It’s about control over social media because we lost to Russia without Russia firing a bullet.

Crimea voted itself to join the Russian Federation. So.That you can win a you know, it’s the same thing as if they enrolled into Crimea with tanks and submarines. They now control it because they elected, you know, because of the referendum of the people or where they getting their information, they’re getting it through online news sites, they’re getting it through RT and Sputnik and through social media and through Telegram and so.It’s so all war is now more about who’s got the best.You know missiles and who’s got the best anti aircraft.

They were talking in 2017 in your in in NATO periodicals that the age of conventional warfare was ended forever. Frankly, I think this move into control over information actually left them under prepared for what happened in 2022 because they were talking like war will never happen again because at the time NATO had never had to fire her.Support ever ever since 1949 it had only been offense in 1995 with the Islamia 1999 Libya 2011/2013. And so.It from 2014, 2016, because of what happened in Ukraine, NATO began to establish these censorship cells from all stretching all the way from Germany to Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia,

these, they call them centers of excellence for strategic communications. They had all these fancy names, but they were censorship coordinating.Where they work with YouTube, they work with Facebook, they work with Twitter, they brought them all in they fill these social media companies up to the brim with CIA intermediaries, with British intelligence intermediaries and they developed this censorship technology these these these NLP, these AI censorship techniques to be able to scan the Internet at scale and look at what.You know, people were saying on the inner part of the trending narratives, and it was then when Brexit happened in June 2016 and the Trump election happened in November 2016, that this censorship architecture coming out of their loss of Ukraine was grafted onto U.S. citizens.

And you know that history is unforgivable.I cannot entertain while the gun is still to my head and to all of my friends heads and all my colleagues heads and half of Congress’s heads and the end of the, you know, the current winning in the polls presidential election.The cancer has spread in our body because they’ve held that gun to our heads for so long. They have effectively ended the 1st amendment in my country using using this Ukraine excuse.

They the right now the Biden administration is arguing to our Supreme Court that the 1st Amendment is effectively outdated, needs to be wholesale reimagined.Because just as the Second Amendment did not envision assault rifles, democracy did not envision in our First Amendment social media, the power of everyone to be our own publisher undermines US National Security and prohibits the federal government coordination

@MrWinMarshall
This month in Missouri,

Mike Benz
yes, yes, they are making this argument that that the.The crisis of democracy from, you know, from Ukraine into COVID into into into presidential elections now requires government control over the information ecosystem, or at least.Government influence on it in order to quarterback what the what the independent media does. So it’s not independent. The quarterback with the civil society institutions are doing the quarterback with the technology companies are doing well guess what you call that and you know.Five years ago we called that North Korea.

That is government control of the information ecosystem. This is the same thing our State Department passed sanctions on North Korea for doing in 2017, past sanctions on Iran for doing. We don’t recognize elections as being free and fair unless there is a free and open independent media ecosystem. That is one of our seven measures for determining.Whether we would we formally acknowledge the results of an election Now, of course, this is a cynical because.That’s when a government, you know, does not allow our CIA or State Department US aid or ND backed groups to be able to spread their propaganda.

And I don’t even mean that majoritively. I mean, that’s the utility of this thing is that we built free speech as an instrument of statecraft in order to.Bolster support for political movements. But what I’m driving at here is.I will not even entertain because my, my answer is a hard no. I do not support the the US agenda on, on Ukraine and infinite monopoly money, you know, unaccountable or even with a, with a, with a fair amount on it. While our entire censorship industrial complex, while the entire finances of the censorship industry is built on the.back of it. You can ask me that question again once that whole system is dismantled.