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Kansas Cops Have 'Waged War on Motorists' by Subjecting Them to Pretextual Traffic Stops, a Federal Judge Says: Ruling draws back the veil on routine police practices that victimize innocent drivers.
Reason ^ | 07/28/2023 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 07/28/2023 9:01:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 07/28/2023 9:01:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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We are supposed to be “Innocent Until Proven Guilty” According to our laws. But when it comes to traffic violations ( e.g. failing to stop at a STOP sign, with no camera to prove it ), you are guilty until you can prove yourself innocent.

Very often, it’s the Police Officer’s word against yours and the court often ASSUMEs that the officer is right, even if you insist that you did stop.


2 posted on 07/28/2023 9:03:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Trying to catch the weed tourists coming back from Colorado?


3 posted on 07/28/2023 9:08:29 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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That's

ASS\U/ME

4 posted on 07/28/2023 9:13:43 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

30 plus paragraphs to say what was said in one. A waste of electrons.


5 posted on 07/28/2023 9:14:41 PM PDT by Fungi
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Vratil found that KHP troopers improperly considered drivers' destinations or starting points as a significant reason to detain or search them

I don't see why it's any cops business where I am coming from or going.

6 posted on 07/28/2023 9:32:08 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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If we had any kind of a Constitution enforcing Federal Government and FBI, they would have FBI Task Force deployed Sting Squads of FBI agents to document and trap these Dirty Coppers and they would fill the Federal Prisons with 'em.

The FBI did this before Eisenhower built the Freeways, and interestingly many towns were left without Interstate Freeway access because their police did this.

7 posted on 07/28/2023 9:36:54 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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The dogs on On Patrol Live and the predecessor have an incredibly awful record of false positives.

I’ve watched the videos starting on the first day of training until field proficient.

I watched the videos calling them trick dogs etc.....

I’ve been on the fence for a while-after seeing endless futility on the weekly show-they need to go.


8 posted on 07/28/2023 10:20:41 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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“Hey, can I ask you something?”

“NO, sir/mam. I have to go. Am I free to go?”

Problem solved.


9 posted on 07/28/2023 10:51:32 PM PDT by qaz123
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So, the same FBI that pays ZERO attention to any laws on any books is going to be the entity that has oversight on what these cops were/are doing?

That’s not giving the cops a free pass. But I’m not letting folks who have ABSOLUTELY ZERO OVERSIGHT on their deeds and actions, have oversight on anyone else.

If it’s proven that a cop runs criminal history, license check or runs a license plate for any reason other than it having to do with an investigation or running a tag to check for a stolen vehicle, they can be arrested and sent to prison. And who controls the databases that have all that information? The FBI.

Do you ever wonder why the ATF doesn’t do the background check for a gun buyer, when its the agency responsible for firearms and enforcing gun laws? Because the FBI controls the database.

If an FBI agent looks up the whereabouts of an old girlfriend or where her new boyfriend lives, all good. Don’t worry about it. They didn’t mean to do it. We yelled at them and told them not to do it again.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-misused-intelligence-database-278000-searches-court-says-2023-05-19/


10 posted on 07/28/2023 11:07:45 PM PDT by qaz123
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“NO, sir/mam. I have to go. Am I free to go?”

Same answer you give, when they ask if they can search your vehicle. Cops are not your friends.

11 posted on 07/28/2023 11:09:35 PM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF Captain & pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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Some of those offenses—"equipment violations" such as broken tail lights, worn tires, windshield cracks, and excessively tinted windows—"have nothing to do with driving at all," Harris wrote.

Driving down the highway with a defective muffler twisting and turning behind you, with windows tinted so dark as to reduce visibility to almost nil, with broken tail lights and bald tire treads, etc. - certainly do have something to with driving!

Regards,

12 posted on 07/28/2023 11:12:38 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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And, while on camera, when the cop asks....Would you mind if I search your car?

Be sure to ask for clarification. Yes, could mean...yes, you can search my car...OR...yes, I do mind and you cannot search my car.


13 posted on 07/28/2023 11:14:27 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like KHP watched too many Colombo reruns.


14 posted on 07/28/2023 11:19:03 PM PDT by Nachoman (Proudly oppressing people of color since 1957.)
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Be sure to ask for clarification. Yes, could mean...yes, you can search my car...OR...yes, I do mind and you cannot search my car.

Yes, be specific. “You can not search my vehicle.”

15 posted on 07/28/2023 11:30:55 PM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF Captain & pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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The corrupt Kansas cops aren’t after drugs. They ARE after any cash you might happen to have with you. Kansas cops are notorious for stealing any cash on you, claiming it “could be” drug related.


16 posted on 07/28/2023 11:41:15 PM PDT by Newtoidaho (All I ask of living is to have no chains on me.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Chode; SkyDancer; Salamander; Carriage Hill; Lockbox; MtnClimber; nascarnation; ...

After the training the K9’s get put through sniffing for Pot they probably have the “munchies” and hit on a lost french fry or an escaped Honey Nut Cheerio the Kid dropped or threw.


17 posted on 07/29/2023 2:02:19 AM PDT by mabarker1 ( (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!! A fraud, a hypocrite, a liar. I'm a member of Congress!!!)
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“Hey, can I ask you something?”

“You just did. Now would you like to ramble on?”


18 posted on 07/29/2023 3:49:50 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Seriously.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In too many, way too many jurisdictions, the cops are just the best equipped street gang. I don’t trust them, period.


19 posted on 07/29/2023 4:28:25 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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bkmk fourth


20 posted on 07/29/2023 4:44:50 AM PDT by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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