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Fraud 2020; what about 2008, 2012, 2016?
11/16/2020 | tomatomaster

Posted on 11/16/2020 6:03:40 PM PST by tomatomaster

First things first: focus on voter fraud in 2020.

But what is the bigger picture of the Dems election strategy network?

For a moment I want to look ahead or more accurately, ‘look behind’. After voter fraud is proven and Trump is established in his second term there should be investigations to determine the role of fraud in previous elections.

When Biden made his comment about creating the best-ever voter fraud system, we all know that was not just ‘mis-speak’ from a gaffe-prone candidate.

2016: Trump won. But I speculate that his true margin of victory was much larger if fraudulent votes were to be deducted. I speculate the dems did not worry about Hillary being so absent from the campaign trail, and did not worry about lackluster rallies because they knew the vote would be propped up by the Dominion voting system and other methods. Their system at the time was not in place well enough to surmount Trump’s numbers.

2012, 2008: Did Obama really win those elections fair and square? I am convinced voter fraud pushed him over the top. No way to prove it back then. Trump-friendly investigators should get hold of Dominion’s archives going back to that time.

When the electoral system is cleaned up, in addition to voter ID, I’d like to see each vote treated with chain-of-command custody. Each ballot needs to be traceable back to the voter of origin if an audit is needed.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chat; electionfraud; vanitiesbelonginchat; vanity; youropinionisnotnews
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To: tomatomaster

I have wondered the same thing in fact, I have wondered if 2004 might have been a wider margin without fraud. I have always wondered if Bush would have won, MI, WI, MN, PA, and OR that year.


21 posted on 11/16/2020 6:26:25 PM PST by DMD13
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22 posted on 11/16/2020 6:26:47 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: datura

Larry Nichols said Obama stole 8 million votes against Romney to win.


23 posted on 11/16/2020 6:28:52 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: tomatomaster

Get me the minute by minute data, that I’ve seen for the Michigan data for this election, for all the States and for past elections and I’m almost sure I could prove it to you.

ML/NJ


24 posted on 11/16/2020 6:29:36 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: tomatomaster

Practice makes perfect!


25 posted on 11/16/2020 6:36:24 PM PST by Brandonmark (Made America Great Again! 11.08.2016 - A DAY OF RENEWAL is a )
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To: datura

Keep listing them.

Senate race in Louisiana. Woody Jenkins.


26 posted on 11/16/2020 6:36:32 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: Rurudyne

at some point they’ll strip the right to vote from any who oppose them

It'll be in the fine print of a reparations bill ... any voter who doesn't submit to the Dems orthodoxy will forevermore have 3/5 of a vote.

27 posted on 11/16/2020 6:37:21 PM PST by Tellurian (Evil's pride and joy is Fear. It's second child is Deception.)
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To: tomatomaster

Yeah, I was mostly concerned about ballot harvesting. That’s kid’s stuff compared to massive, systemic, election computer manipulation.


28 posted on 11/16/2020 6:38:16 PM PST by hardspunned (MAGA, now more than ever)
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To: tomatomaster

The reason Brak Ubama says the US is “fundamentally racist” is that he didn’t win the elections honestly.
He saw the actual prefraud numbers, knows he was rejected twice.
And the flap eared limp wrister is still butthurt by it.


29 posted on 11/16/2020 6:38:50 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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To: tomatomaster

The problem in 2008 was that the election was genuine but the victorious candidate was a fraud.


30 posted on 11/16/2020 6:38:50 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: tomatomaster


There has been cheating by the DemonRats ever since they discovered that LBJ also cheated a long time ago in a South Texas race.

Actually, a lot of folks tell me that LBJ stole the election in South Texas.

How do you like them apples?

31 posted on 11/16/2020 6:39:47 PM PST by TheConservativeTejano (The Business of America is Business...)
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To: thecodont

Do that in government and economics exams. Teach them how the real world works, and how utterly unfair and despicable their beloved Marxist system is.


32 posted on 11/16/2020 6:42:54 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: tomatomaster

No Republican was going to win in 2008. The economy. No cheating necessary.

2012: Romney thought he was going to win, but that looks laughable now. Except maybe for Florida, the margins of victory were too great, as was the margin in the electoral college.

Nobody was going to walk over broken glass to vote for Romney. Nobody was that passionate about the guy.

33 posted on 11/16/2020 6:54:41 PM PST by x
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To: tomatomaster

Virginia elections have been stolen for years. Washington DC suburbs and government jobs long ago became Virginia’s Detroit.
A tilted interest caused by reliance on or anticipation of political influenced gains should not have been allowed. This should be the same whether welfare generated or big position driven.
This is applicable where gains of any sort are influential on a vote.
Voting for the good of the country will result in a good for all, the rising tide effect.
That being said, the separation of interest that exists is now more evident and more divisive than ever with the flames of it being fanned in promotion while being cheered on by all in the gaining column, so they think.
The fix will be to disenfranchise the vote system. The trick will be in doing so, having their cake and eating it too has become quite addictive to the Democrat.


34 posted on 11/16/2020 7:05:12 PM PST by Recompennation
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The Dems have been cheating in elections forever. I suspect last time aroind they were caught offguard by the Trump tidal wave. Remember how Hillary went completely off her rocker on election night and that creepy guy whose name I can’t remember had to come out and concede on her behalf? And the fotos of her crying in rage? They assumed they had it in the bag and were unable to recover. They weren’t going to allow that to happen again — and yet it almost did! As an even bigger Trump tsunami rolled in, they shut everything down and overnight crammed the system with bogus votes, leaving behind piles of clues and eyewitnesses. Of course we all understand this; I hope that the American people can be made to understand it, but I’m not terribly hopeful. And of course there’s little chance the guilty parties at the top of the heap will be brought to justice.


35 posted on 11/16/2020 7:05:39 PM PST by Blurb2350
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To: thecodont

Great post.

It reminds me of how one Business School professor of mine taught every one of us a life lesson we would never forget.

It was the first afternoon class, and three of my classmates had obviously had a couple of beers during lunch—they were laughing a little too hard—it was kinda obvious.

The professor directed every single question at each of them for the full hour. They were hard questions, and the young men were unable to coherently answer any of them correctly.

After an hour of this humiliation, the professor interrupted one young man trying to bluff his way through another wrong answer and simply said this:

“I am addressing this to all of you. Never drink during business hours. Now you know why.”


36 posted on 11/16/2020 7:18:13 PM PST by cgbg ( Remember 1876--we _can_ do this!)
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To: cgbg

Hah! Great story.


37 posted on 11/16/2020 7:27:12 PM PST by thecodont
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To: tomatomaster

I’ve always believed that in 2012, after a miserable 4 years of incompetence....fraud must have happened to put Obama back in office. I recall in that election certain counties in Ohio having 120%+ participation rates....and then after the election, hearing no more at all about it.


38 posted on 11/16/2020 8:56:48 PM PST by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG!!!)
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To: tomatomaster

Imagine how crowded and unusable the forum would become if every FReeper started posting opinions as news.


39 posted on 11/16/2020 8:59:30 PM PST by upchuck (Congressional subpoenas. Congressional hearings. Criminal referrals to the FBI. It's all just Kabuki)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Don’t forget the 2006 U.S. Senate seat race in VA. Webb stole that from Allen which was undoubtedly fraudulent as well.


40 posted on 11/16/2020 9:27:29 PM PST by princeofdarkness ( )
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