Posted on 01/16/2020 1:08:37 PM PST by Red Badger
(CNSNews.com) - Even before they transmitted the articles of impeachment to the Senate for trial, House Democrats on Wednesday argued against the Senate calling Hunter Biden as a witness. (Not that the House has any say in what the Senate decides.)
While Democrats insist that the Senate call witnesses who may be favorable to their case, they say Hunter Biden is not a "relevant" witness for Republicans.
Oh, yeah? say Republicans.
"They don't want to get into the facts," Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) told Fox News's Sean Hannity Wednesday night:
And what they're really terrified of is the very significant evidence of real corruption. You've got Hunter Biden making $83,000 a month from the biggest natural gas company in Ukraine.
And what was he being paid for? He wasn't a geologist, he wasn't a geophysicist. But his daddy was vice president, and his daddy was intervening in a very direct way. And that is significant evidence, I believe, of corruption.
And at a minimum, it's more than enough for the president to say we will follow the law and investigate it. And I expect to hear that at considerable length from the president's defense team.
Cruz is proposing a one-for-one witness deal:
"You know, you mentioned witnesses," Cruz told Hannity. "What I've been saying, I don't know if there's going to be 51 senators to bring witnesses in or not. I think there is plenty already to reject the ridiculous articles of impeachment.
"But if they are going to bring witnesses in, we're not going to do what the House did with a one-sided show trial. And I think it should be, at a bare minimum, one for one. So if the prosecution brings a witness, if they bring John Bolton, then President Trump can bring a witness, he can bring in Hunter Biden. And it should be fair and even," Cruz said.
'Relevance'
Call Hunter Biden to the witness stand? Perish the thought, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y), one of the seven House impeachment managers, said on Wednesday.
"[T]he relevant question is relevance," Nadler said. "In any trial, you call witnesses who have information about the allegations, about the charges. The allegations, for which there is a mountain of evidence, are that the President betrayed his country by trying to extort Ukraine, by withholding $391 million in military aid that Congress had voted, in order to get Ukraine to announce an investigation of a domestic political opponent. That is the allegation.
"Any witness who has information about whether that is true or not true is a relevant witness. Anybody like Hunter Biden, who has no information about any of that, is not a relevant witness. Any trial judge in this country, would rule such a witness as irrelevant and inadmissible," Nadler said.
According to the summary of his July 25 phone call with the Ukraine president, Trump mentioned two areas of corruption that he was interested to know more about: the origins of the FBI's Trump-Russia investigation, in which Ukraine may have had some part, the president apparently believed. Trump told President Zelensky that "a lot of it" -- the election interference -- supposedly started in Ukraine:
"I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it," Trump said.
After Zelensky brought up “investigations,” Trump responded: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution, and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."
(In a January 2018 appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, Joe Biden bragged that as vice president, he used a billion-dollar loan guarantee as leverage to get a Ukraine prosecutor fired. Biden denies the firing had anything to do with an investigation of Burisma, the Ukraine gas company on whose board Hunter Biden sat.)
No criminal conduct
Cruz told Hannity on Wednesday that "Nancy Pelosi's circus is done...the farce is over."
The bulk of the testimony in the House would be inadmissible in any federal court or in any state court. An awful lot of it was hearsay. People with no direct evidence, witnesses who never even met president trump, much less heard anything he had to say. And an awful lot of the testimony was essentially, 'I don't know but I know a guy who knew a guy who told me this happened.'
Now, there's a reason courts don't let that testimony in, because it's notoriously unreliable. That being said, if the House managers get up and they want to do a presentation on their ridiculous 'somebody knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who said the following,' I feel confident that President Trump's lawyers are going to eat their lunch.
Because it's ridiculous. And the reason you know it's ridiculous -- if you look at the articles the House voted out. You remember, for months and months they were talking about qui quo pro. Well, they didn't vote out anything on quid pro quo. They were talking for weeks and weeks about bribery. They didn't vote out anything on bribery.
This is the first time in the history of the country a president has ever been impeached without an article even alleging criminal conduct. They don't allege a single federal law that was violated, not a criminal law, not a civil law. This is a partisan sham. Because they're mad, the House Democrats are mad at the American people for electing President Trump. And that's why the result of this is going to be rejecting the articles of impeachment.
IF Cruz takes the lead on this and helps to drain the swamp while vigoursly defending President Trump he’s set himself up well for 2024.
Yep!................
Was Bolton on the phone call? If he was, he probably has first hand knowledge of what Trump said. If he wasn’t, then he is just another second hand story and as such, irrelevant.
A number of people were in on the phone call. I don’t know if Bolton was one of them. Somehow Schiff was only able to call as witnesses people who knew about the conversation only by hearsay. President Trump was aware that others were listening in...the idea that he would try to do something illegal or unethical in that situation is preposterous, but that is the theory that the Democrats have been pushing for months.
McConnell is going to let this thing go full flustercuck. Sickening.
Show us Ted. Talk is cheap
Side bar input: Yesterday, I received an e-mail from a long time friend whom I worked with many years ago. He now resides full time in Des Moines, IOWA and has been following the politics in his home state of IOWA.
He informs me that the Democrat Party is struggling badly throughout the state with little interest among the Democrat Party faithful. He tells me to forget anything any Media feeds you...it is all “Fake News”. They cannot stand the current list of Democrat 2020 POTUS candidates!!!
What he puts forward is that Democrat Party Political Rallies and meetings are very lightly, if attended at all. The donor money in not flowing anywhere near as it should. Trump rules the state, across the board!!! Many Democrats of all stripes, will vote for POTUS, Donald J. Trump to be re-elected!!!
He also tells me that it is being heavily rumored that there will be a very light turnout of Democrat Voters on The IOWA Caucus Primary!!! He says the Democrat leaders are Terrified that if IOWA Democrats do not show up & bomb out in the IOWA Caucus.....the Democrat Party nationally will fail across the country in all primaries this year. Can anyone in IOWA land tell us if this true or not? I believe my friend....he always tells us the way it really is...but, this is a biggie. Any comments...folks?
They’re terrified that a full investigation will implicate LOTS more members of the Deep State.
I would call Joe Biden and question him on his call to the Ukraine. Why did he put pressure to stop the investigation of Bursima.
Get the transcripts of the call. Get witnesses who were there for the call.
Just wait till the Epstein evidence is blown wide open. They will be scurrying like the cockroaches they are.
What ever the dims have on Roberts we can get too. He would do well to remember that.
100% agree.
This information should be readily available to the public at all times.
Not just spouses, but other close family, boyfriend/girlfriend, etc. But spouses would be an excellent start.
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**And what they’re really terrified of is the very significant evidence of real corruption. You’ve got Hunter Biden making $83,000 a month from the biggest natural gas company in Ukraine.
And what was he being paid for? He wasn’t a geologist, he wasn’t a geophysicist. But his daddy was vice president, and his daddy was intervening in a very direct way. And that is significant evidence, I believe, of corruption.
And at a minimum, it’s more than enough for the president to say we will follow the law and investigate it. And I expect to hear that at considerable length from the president’s defense team.**
Go, Republicans. Fight for Trump!
Looks like what you’ve got here is a GiffyPop image.
I want to hear from Hunter Biden,a sordid pussy plunderer of the highest order, he will add a high tabloid entertainment factor to the hearings , so that the networks will cash in even more.
IIRC, he twisted their arm during a visit.
Unlike a judge in a civil or criminal trial, The Chief Justice essentially just presides over the spectacle.
He is basically an ornament.........................
GREAT PUN!..........................
Teddy Boy again? Why didn’t you side with the citizens, the BoR and ask your “esteemed colleague” Beto “Hell yeah we’re gonna TAKE...” O Mao to resign?
Is he still living in surrogate mom Joy’s basement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU86F44tqDE
DC Divide & Control players from central casting at the POWER CENTER.
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