Posted on 11/18/2017 9:53:05 AM PST by ex91B10
The top U.S. nuclear commander said Saturday he would push back against President Trump if he ordered a nuclear launch the general believed to be "illegal," saying he would hope to find another solution.
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“After more than thirty years in the military, let me just say to any service member, you disobey a military order at your personal peril.”
Well, I only spent 25 years in. On two occasions, I told my commander to run his order past legal. And if they said it was legal, I’d obey. Both times my CO backed down, although he was pissed and took revenge later.
On a third occasion, I was told I’d be given an Article 15 if I didn’t comply. I said I preferred a court martial. That commander backed down, too. There weren’t any consequences to me that time since HIS commander heard about it, and my CO had “consequences”.
There are people who will give illegal orders. You need to know what you are doing if you refuse, and yes, there can be consequences that have nothing to do with the UCMJ if you refuse. But I had no regrets.
>>Who defines what is illegal? Hopefully not the UN?
Who deems an order illegal?
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The Commander in Chief determines the legality of his orders before he issues them. That is why he is the Commander in Chief, and not the U.N. or some snowflake General or activist judge, thank God! : )
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Which is why I wondered what the General was talking even about!!
What order would be illegal coming from CIC? It is his call, so is it even possible to have such a thing as an “illegal order**???”
**unless it somehow violated Consittution ??
“It’s not the general’s place to determine legality.”
Ever hear of Nuremberg?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
>>**unless it somehow violated Consittution ??
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The way it makes sense to me is:
If the CIC gives them an order, they MUST either follow it, or, if the general determines for himself that it is somehow “illegal”, then the general would need to resign.
In short, obey orders or resign.
IMO, anyway.
Nuke the f’n general now! Gone! This is straight up insubordination.
Nuking Denver would probably be illegal. Nuking Hillary's home in Chappaquiddick? Nuking CNN headquarters?
You evidently missed this part?
“Running through scenarios of how to react in the event of an illegal order is standard practice, he said.
“If you execute an unlawful order, you will go to jail. You could go to jail for the rest of your life,” Hyten said.
Hyten’s comments come against the backdrop of Mr. Trump’s bombastic comments about North Korea and how he might respond to that regime’s nuclear threat.”
It has to be an illegal order to justify disobedience. Now who is to say what’s an illegal order? That’s a judgment call and made at ones own peril. Nuremberg trials ended “I was only following orders” as a defense against criminality.
So if you were the general last year, and Pres Obama called up and told you to nuke Texas, you would salute and hit the button? How about just Tel Aviv?
There are protocols in place to cover the initiation of a nuclear first strike. Now, a nuclear RESPONSE to an incoming attack would necessarily be a different story.
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“Suppose, for example, a president was embroiled in a scandal and decided to give the order to mount a bombing campaign against some small country so as to get the scandal off the front page.”
Like Clinton did to Serbia.
Hyten was responding to a question about testimony by former STRATCOM commander retired Gen. Robert Kehler before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee earlier this week. Kehler said that nuclear operators would refuse to implement an unlawful order. Hyten agreed, and argued that the process in place to launch a nuclear strike would prevent such a situation from arising in the first place.
The soon to be relieved general advocates arguing with the commander-in-chief, not simply clarifying an “illegal” order. This officer is not fit for command unless he was misquoted.
Take a breath and get some fresh panties.
Maybe take a nap.
Thanks but I think I’ll sit here and chuckle at those blindly defending this obviously politicized General while he damages our national security.
Hyten was responding to a question
The “Trump might issue an illegal order” smear has been a long standing attack against POTUS. The General knew that and yet still played ball with the Trump haters at the security conference. Unforgivable, in my book.
Remove him IMMEDIATELY; with his own mouth he has confirmed that he will refuse to uphold the military oath he took when he was sworn into the military.
“I think some people think we’re stupid,” Hyten said in response to a question about such a scenario. “We’re not stupid people. We think about these things a lot. When you have this responsibility, how do you not think about it?”
It’s amazing how many sheep just mindlessly follow the propaganda CBS and other MSM outlets spew out.
You know how to make really tough on a guy...This will require a lot of thought...{:-)
Nuking Rosy would be illegal.
I am a former JAG officer
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