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More Evidence Surfaces – NSA Director Mike Rogers Did Not Aid Obama’s Surveillance Scheme
The Conservative Tree House ^ | March 14, 2017 | sundance

Posted on 03/14/2017 8:39:46 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

Every time I see an interview discussing 2016 surveillance of the Trump Campaign and candidate Donald Trump I keep going back to that November 17th, 2016, Trump Tower visit by NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers.

No-one in the Obama chain-of-command knew Director Rogers was going to meet with President-Elect Trump; Rogers did it entirely on his own impetus, and James Clapper was furious in the aftermath.

Additionally, Admiral Mike Rogers is still running the NSA. President Trump has made no effort to replace him.

“Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command. He didn’t use the NSA. He didn’t use the CIA. He didn’t use the FBI, and he didn’t use Department of Justice. He used GCHQ. What the heck is GCHQ? That’s the initials for the British spying agency. They have 24/7 access to the NSA database. So by simply having two people go to them saying, ‘President Obama needs transcripts of conversations involving candidate Trump, conversations involving president-elect Trump,’ he’s able to get it, and there’s no American fingerprints on this.”
~ Judge Andrew Napolitano

If what Napolitano’s sources are saying is true, then it’s even more confirmation of our hunch in an earlier timeline.  NSA Director Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in, or give aid in relationship to, the surveillance scheme.  Consequently, the Obama White House worked around Rogers with another source, British Government Communications Head Quarters (GCHQ), for the same information.

In 2013 Edward Snowden released information the UK GCHQ was being party funded by the U.S. NSA to the tune of over £100 million:

[…]  The funding underlines the closeness of the relationship between GCHQ and its US equivalent, the National Security Agency. But it will raise fears about the hold Washington has over the UK’s biggest and most important intelligence agency, and whether Britain’s dependency on the NSA has become too great. (link)

January 23rd, 2017, three days after President Trump’s inauguration, the head of the U.K. General Communications Head Quarters (GCHQ) unexpectedly resigns:

Robert Hannigan, the director of GCHQ, has resigned from his job as head of one of the three Government intelligence agencies after just two years.

GCHQ would only say that Mr Hannigan had left his post for “personal reasons” and that he was not sacked or subject to disciplinary proceedings.  (link)

[Previously] In hindsight, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers may have notified Team Trump of Obama’s Intelligence Community (James Clapper and John Brennan) involvement or engagement in surveillance activity.

As you look at the dates below, it’s important to note that NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers would be keenly aware of both the June FISA request – Denied, and the October request – Granted.  Pay specific attention to the October request. “October”!.

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June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons.

Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.

♦ On Tuesday November 8th, 2016 the election was held.  Results announced Wednesday November 9th, 2016.

NSA Director Rogers participates in session at Intelligence and National Security Summit in Washington♦ On Thursday November 17th, 2016, NSA Director Mike Rogers traveled to New York and met with President-Elect Donald Trump.

♦ On Friday November 18th The Washington Post reported on a recommendation in “October” that Mike Rogers be removed from his NSA position:

The heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.

The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

[…]  In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters. (link)

Remember, historically The Washington Post is the preferred outlet for the CIA and Intelligence Community within Deep State to dump their “leaks” and stories.  [The State Department “leaks” to CNN for the same purposes.]

♦ On Saturday November 19th Reuters reported on the WaPo Story and additional pressure by Defense Secretary Ash Carter and DNI James Clapper to fire Mike Rogers.

[…]  The Washington Post reported that a decision by Rogers to travel to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday without notifying superiors caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, but the recommendation to remove him predated his visit.  (link)

If you just look at the timeline of activity a picture emerges:

  1. The Intelligence Community -at the direction of President Obama- made a request to a FISA court for the NSA to spy on Donald Trump in June 2016.  It was denied.
  2. In October the Intelligence Community (NSA) -at the direction of President Obama- made a second request to the FISA court for the NSA to spy on activity around Donald Trump.  It was approved.
  3. At around the same time (October), as the second request, (Def Sec) Ash Carter and (DNI) James Clapper tell President Obama to dump NSA Director Mike Rogers.
  4. A week after the election, Director Mike Rogers makes a trip to Trump Tower without telling his superior, James Clapper….
  5. …Which immediately brings about new calls (November media leaks to WaPo) for President Obama to dump Admiral Mike Rogers.

Occam’s Razor.  NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers didn’t want to participate in the spying scheme (Clapper, Brennan, Etc.), which was the baseline for President Obama’s post presidency efforts to undermine Donald Trump and keep Trump from digging into the Obama labyrinth underlying his remaining loyalists.  After the October spying or surveillance operation went into effect, Rogers unknown loyalty was a risk to the Obama objective.  10 Days after the election Rogers travels to President-Elect Trump without notifying those who were involved in the intel scheme.

Did NSA Director Mike Rogers wait for a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) to be set up in Trump Tower, and then notify the President-elect he was being monitored by a group representing President Obama’s interests?

….Seems likely.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 201610; 201611; 20161117; ashcarter; gchq; jamesclapper; mikerogers; nsa; obama; obamatrump; sundance; surveillance; tap; treason; trump; trumptowergate; washingtonpost; washpo; wiretapping; wiretaps
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To: del4hope

I assumed Valerie moved in so they can speak and collaborate with less chance of Trump spying on them.


101 posted on 03/15/2017 8:17:25 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Good timeline summary. Regarding GHCQ, they've been doing surveillance for US intelligence agencies for decades. Since the CIA and NSA are supposed to target foreign rather than domestic targets, they get around this by using GHCQ. There are similar rules in Britain regarding domestic surveillance on their part, so they make use of NSA/CIA assets. This is widely known and has been going on essentially forever. No government believes you have any right to privacy at all. That is apparently a part of government DNS by default.
102 posted on 03/15/2017 8:36:51 AM PDT by zeugma (The Brownshirts have taken over American Universities.)
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To: zeugma

Yes


103 posted on 03/15/2017 9:23:43 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: PghBaldy

Exactly why Obama chose to do it.

BUT, NSA is not stupid.


104 posted on 03/15/2017 9:24:28 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: indthkr

Yes


105 posted on 03/15/2017 9:25:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: WildHighlander57

Rogers is smart. Obozo is exposed. This will get really nasty.


106 posted on 03/15/2017 9:26:22 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

Google: “NSA ECHELON” and “FIVE EYES”...


107 posted on 03/15/2017 9:32:32 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: ManHunter

In other words, the Brits aren’t the only potential suspects...


108 posted on 03/15/2017 9:35:43 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: Bshaw

Valerie Jarrett moved into Obama’s house for a reason, she knows EVERYTHING, and they can’t have her out of arm’s reach for a minute.


yep. She needs SS protection.


109 posted on 03/15/2017 9:45:45 AM PDT by smileyface (Things looking up in RED PA!)
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To: Joe Boucher

Has Sessions ever prosecuted death-penalty cases?


110 posted on 03/15/2017 9:55:40 AM PDT by smileyface (Things looking up in RED PA!)
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To: dragnet2

Why would you place Adm. Rogers with those traitors? Did you not read anything in the article?


111 posted on 03/15/2017 10:38:39 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: WildHighlander57
BCCI !!??!!

Sorry, wrong corrupt bank: I should have said HSBC. BCCI was one of the Clinton banking scandals. The other was HSBC. I don't know how I mixed those up. [Although given what HSBC and BCCI were both up to, it's not out of the realm of possibility that their tentacles overlapped. As Hillary Clinton would say: "I'm not aware of any evidence of that."]

Among many places:

www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3449580/posts
Corrupt Comey? James Brian Comey and Loretta Lynch's Curious Clinton Foundation Connection

112 posted on 03/15/2017 10:39:42 AM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come 'round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: dragnet2

There is no real comparison. Fortunately, Trump will make the GOP stronger than ever. Only irrational opposition can bring his party down.


113 posted on 03/15/2017 10:43:00 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: dragnet2

Of course, you are talking about the voters. It is precisely because of the voters that the people you slander are in office. Did you think it was because of the Russians.


114 posted on 03/15/2017 10:46:53 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: arrogantsob
Direct your attention to door #40.☺ Did you not read any posts in this thread?
115 posted on 03/15/2017 10:49:46 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: COBOL2Java

LoL


116 posted on 03/15/2017 10:56:02 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: WildHighlander57
The speculation is that Rogers either met with, or got a message to Trump when the FISA request was granted in October. At least a month before Rogers' meeting with Trump on November 17th, Clapper was already calling for his resignation.

There is also the matter of the other Mike Rogers being kicked off Trump's transition team. That Mike Rogers, you may recall, has a wife whose firm does significant business with the CIA and State.

That Mike Rogers chaired the House Permanent Select Committee on Intel, which issued a "final report" on Benghazi that significantly undercut Trey Gowdy's Comittee by "clearing" all of the principals, using classified material that Gowdy could not reveal or contest.

That Mike Rogers is believed to have been one of the CIA moles on Trump's team. That Rogers was in the inner circle of Trump's intel group as far back as late August 2016, and that Mike Rogers mysterious firing from Trump's transition team was regarded as "ominous" by the CIA's paper of record, The Washington Post. It would be interesting to know who recommended that Mike Rogers as a member of Trump's Intel/NatSec team in the first place...

NSA's Rogers may have had a great deal to say to Trump, and not just about the server. And he may have realized his namesake revealed earlier contacts -- before the election.

117 posted on 03/15/2017 11:06:10 AM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come 'round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: grey_whiskers

Remember, historically The Washington Post is the preferred outlet for the CIA and Intelligence Community within Deep State to dump their “leaks” and stories.

The State Department “leaks” to CNN for the same purposes.


118 posted on 03/15/2017 11:06:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Remember during Trump Tower Spygate, there were No American fingerprints; just Obama's...!!!!:))
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To: dragnet2

40 was worthy of being ignored, so I ignored it.


119 posted on 03/15/2017 11:13:02 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: arrogantsob
Of course, you are talking about the voters. It is precisely because of the voters that the people you slander are in office.

No, I was referring to the corrupt in D.C.

Apparently you're one of the naive who believe this government and our electoral process had never been gamed, subverted and or manipulated. You probably missed this past election.☺

It's amazing, you're reading about corrupt shadow governments and how they manipulate everything, including our electoral process, yet you continue to blame the voters. Fascinating.

Ya better reboot.

120 posted on 03/15/2017 12:23:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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