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UTAH CAUCUS: First hand insider report - Incompetence, Manipulation, and Ballot Stuffing!!!
Godlikeproductions ^ | 3/23/16 | Pirate monkey

Posted on 03/22/2016 10:43:27 PM PDT by M. Thatcher

Just got back from my caucus... My head is still spinning.

Check in was slow but reasonably controlled. Super-long lines. I've never seen turnout like this.

Got my credentials, but no presidential ballot. They said those would be delivered to our caucus room.

Got to my caucus room. I counted about 120 people there (no idea how many were actually registered and credentialed).

We elected Precinct Officers, State Delegates, and County Delegates - the typical incompetence and ignorance of the rules you'd expect to see from volunteers, but all went somewhat smooth.

...Then came the Presidential Ballot.

Someone shows up with a stack of probably 250 ballots. The precinct chair splits them up, and starts handing stacks of them out and tells people "take one and pass it down".

No checking credentials, IDs, NOTHING.

I'm sitting at the end of a row and people start handing me stacks of extras. I literally had over 50 ballots in my hand.

[link to i.imgur.com (secure)]

We were told to mark our vote and place our ballot in a tin can. They then asked for a volunteer to hold the can. At this point, most people filed out the door.

I cast ONE vote, then stuck around to see what would happen with the votes.

About 15 minutes later, with only about 10 or so people milling around, someone walks in the room with an envelopes STUFFED full of "absentee" ballots - some envelopes having 2-5+ ballots.

I raised a question and said, "isn't there an absentee process already in place? Didn't people have to register for that last week?" and was told "Oh no, this is completely normal".

As I've mentioned in other threads, I was in Party leadership for 6 years and no, this is absolutely not normal.

I then asked if I could observe the vote count, and I was told my observations where not needed and to leave the area while the ballots were being counted.

I left the room (things were already a complete Charlie Foxtrot at this point) and wandered over to my friends precinct caucus to see if it was just as much a cluster.

His caucus was just getting to the presidential ballot, and as I walked in the door I was handed ANOTHER BALLOT.

Again, no credential check, no ID check, NOTHING.

No, I didn't vote again...

I went back to my precinct and they had the results: 74% Cruz 14% Trump 11% Kasich

Now just imagine this kind of outright incompetence/manipulation happening in 2000 precincts across the state.

As I left the building, I started overhearing results coming back from other precincts... Overwhelmingly numbers for Cruz... Like 70-90% or more. (In one precinct Cruz got around 100, Trump had 2, Kasich 0)

Bottom line... They basically are going to post whatever the hell numbers they want.

There were no apparent controls, no credential checks, no ID checks, and ballots being handed around like napkins.

UTAH RESULTS ARE A COMPLETE SHAM

And it just cost Trump 40 delegates.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: conspiracytheory; conspiracywebsite; kolob; madeup; paultards; tinfoilhat; trumplies; ut2016; utahelectionfraud
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To: Dagnabitt
Probably the silliest FR comment I’ve read this year.

Just got your computer fixed; eh?

201 posted on 03/23/2016 6:39:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jstaff
There was one person arrested in relation to this activity, cops gave his name as Roger Stone.

Mormon cops?

Was his REAL name Jezezial Righteous Young?

202 posted on 03/23/2016 6:41:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jjotto

Stir harder; the water is still relatively clear.


203 posted on 03/23/2016 6:42:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ohioman
...We would play Basketball at lunch...

Full or Half court??


Missionary Guide Rules                                             https://www.lds.org/bc/content/ldsorg/topics/missionary/MissionaryHandbook2006Navigate.pdf
  1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
  2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
  3. Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
  4. Don't debate or argue.
  5. Center your mind on your mission.
  6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
  7. Cut your hair regularly.
  8. Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
  9. Be neat and clean.
  10. Bathe frequently.
  11. Use deodorant.
  12. Polish your shoes.
  13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
  14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
  15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
  16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
  17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
  18. Exercise regularly.
  19. Write in your journal regularly.
  20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
  21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
  22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
  23. Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
  24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
  25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
  26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
  27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
  28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
  29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
  30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
  31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
  32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
  33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
  34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
  35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
  36. Do not go on road trips.
  37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission
  38. Do not watch television.
  39. Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
  40. Do not listen to the radio.
  41. Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
  42. Do not participate in musical groups.
  43. Do not participate in athletic teams.
  44. Do not sponsor athletic teams.
  45. Do not engage in contact sports.
  46. Do not engage in water sports.
  47. Do not engage in winter sports.
  48. Do not engage in motorcycling.
  49. Do not engage in horseback riding.
  50. Do not engage in mountain climbing.
  51. Do not embark on a private boat.
  52. Do not embark in a private airplane.
  53. Do not handle firearms.
  54. Do not handle explosives.
  55. Do not swim.
  56. Do not play full court basketball.
  57. Do not play basketball in leagues.
  58. Do not play basketball in tournaments.
  59. You may play half-court basketball.
  60. Never be alone.
  61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
  62. Be loyal to your companion.
  63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
  64. Pray with your companion every day.
  65. Study with your companion every day.
  66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
  67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
  68. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
  69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
  70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
  71. Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
  72. Do not arise before your companion.
  73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
  74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
  75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
  76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
  77. Do not flirt.
  78. Do not date.
  79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
  80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
  81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
  82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
  83. Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
  84. Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
  85. Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
  86. Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
  87. Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
  88. Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
  89. Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
  90. Do not telephone parents
  91. Do not telephone relatives.
  92. Do not telephone friends.
  93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
  94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
  95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
  96. Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
  97. Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
  98. Obey all mission rules.
  99. Obey the laws of the land.
  100. Do not get involved in politics.
  101. Do not get involved in commercial activities.
  102. Do not give any information about the area.
  103. Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
  104. Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
  105. Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
  106. Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
  107. Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
  108. Be courteous.
  109. Provide community service.
  110. Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
  111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
  112. Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
  113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
  114. Keep your housing unit clean.
  115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
  116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
  117. Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
  118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
  119. Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
  120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
  121. Maintain your health.
  122. Eat a healthy diet.
  123. Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
  124. Follow the approved exercise program.
  125. Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
  126. Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
  127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
  128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
  129. Be immunized.
  130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
  131. Budget your money carefully.
  132. Keep a record of what you spend.
  133. Do not spend more than your companion.
  134. Do not loan money.
  135. Do not borrow money.
  136. Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
  137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
  138. Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
  139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
  140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
  141. Be a frugal photographer.
  142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
  143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
  144. Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
  145. Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
  146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
  147. Do not drive without a license.
  148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
  149. Do not drive members’ cars.
  150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
  151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
  152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
  153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
  154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
  155. Drive defensively.
  156. Wear your seat belt.
  157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
  158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
  159. Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
  160. Know bicycle safety rules.
  161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
  162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
  163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
  164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
  165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
  166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
  167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

204 posted on 03/23/2016 6:46:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Iowa David

No need to thank me, as I just go find stuff that might be relevant.


205 posted on 03/23/2016 6:47:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lion Den Dan
...the voters don’t pick the candidate, we do (the electors).

He's right; of course.

That's why PARTIES are there to begin with: to push THEIR man (woman?)

If you don't like the way THEY run THEIR organization; form your OWN organization!


Where are the WHIGS today?

206 posted on 03/23/2016 6:50:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
He's right; of course.

Yes, he is right but you should have heard him say it. He was not stating a fact to be informative but smirking and telling the "little people," that they don't have a say. We will deal with Curly if people will pay attention and participate. North Dakotans will shovel manure but don't take to having their nose rubbed in it.

207 posted on 03/23/2016 6:59:17 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: mkjessup

“Think about it. “

I would invite you to think about it. You are falling for a candidate who is allover the place with his ideas.
He is deliberately vague so he cant be pinned down with what he stands for.

Example; his most popular idea the wall.

The border needs to be closed; immediately. That could be done in less than 30 days with Border Patrol and National Guard.
Instead; Trump chooses a big government solution. A ten year project which would be incredibly expensive and very likely wont be built.
Why don’t you hold your guy accountable for this?


208 posted on 03/23/2016 7:05:42 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I don't want better government; I want much less of it.)
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To: Lion Den Dan

I hear ya!

I’m glad my goat’s poop is easy to get rid of!


209 posted on 03/23/2016 7:17:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
A ten year project which would be incredibly expensive and very likely wont be built.

A long line of PERMANENT Welfare recipients with guns pointing south.

210 posted on 03/23/2016 7:19:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bushwon
Interesting history lesson...Had not heard this before

Just because someone repeats something over and over doesn't make it true.

211 posted on 03/23/2016 7:25:25 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: mkjessup

Has Barbara endorsed Ted? I think she’s holding out for Mrs. Bill again.


212 posted on 03/23/2016 7:30:09 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Lion Den Dan

ND is more liberal than its reputation. Probably too close to MN


213 posted on 03/23/2016 7:31:10 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Elsie

We played Half Court hoops.


214 posted on 03/23/2016 7:53:10 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Theodore R.
ND is more liberal than its reputation. Probably too close to MN

You are correct. When North and South Dakota were created, the division should have been an East Dakota and a West Dakota. Eastern ND is about the same liveral cesspool as Minnesota.

215 posted on 03/23/2016 8:02:40 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan

What are you saying - that the people of North Dakota don’t have any mechanism to vote in this presidential primary?

How can that be?


216 posted on 03/23/2016 8:14:49 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Lazamataz

Stay classy, trumpster


217 posted on 03/23/2016 8:41:21 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (Would I lie to you?)
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To: Darth Reardon

You first, Cruzbot.


218 posted on 03/23/2016 8:48:25 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is rabies. Anyone infected needs to be put down like a dog.)
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To: M. Thatcher

bttt


219 posted on 03/23/2016 9:21:29 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: T. P. Pole

So you are disputing what the other poster said?


220 posted on 03/23/2016 9:37:13 AM PDT by Freedom56v2
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