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Apple iPhone ban? New York looks to outlaw sale of encrypted smartphones[$2,500 Fine]
ZDNet ^ | 14 Jan 2016 | Liam Tung

Posted on 01/15/2016 10:38:03 AM PST by Theoria

A proposed bill in New York seeks to require that all smartphones sold in the state can be decrypted or unlocked and proposes hefty fines for vendors failing to comply.

The proposed law marks the latest effort by lawmakers to make it easier for law enforcement to access and read encrypted data stored on smartphones.

Should the proposed bill successfully pass through New York's state assembly and senate, Apple and Google could face fines of $2,500 per device sold in the state after January 1, 2016, if a retailer knowingly sold a smartphone that could not be unlocked or decrypted by the device manufacturer or operating-system provider.

In other words, there's no requirement for Apple, Google, or device makers to create a backdoor. But if any manufacturer wants to sell a smartphone in the state, the device would need to comply with those requirements or else face a civil suit by the attorney general or district attorney.

New Yorkers who have an opinion about the proposal before it goes to assembly can give their 'aye' or 'nay' via a polling widget on the New York State Senate's page for the bill.

The proposed bill comes amid a long-running debate over backdoors and weakened encryption, in part sparked by Apple's move with iOS 8 to encrypt data stored on iPhones by default.

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To: puppypusher
New York's dictators just don't like the first amendment or the second amendment or the fourth Amendment.

Is NY State trying to "Out-Libtard" California?


41 posted on 01/15/2016 11:18:57 AM PST by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: Swordmaker

“5.62 undecillion years is 5.62 x 10195 years. “


Frightening.

That’s how old I feel some days.:-)

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42 posted on 01/15/2016 11:20:08 AM PST by Mears
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To: LostPassword

You forgot “people will just leave the state”, which they are doing in droves.
Maybe not explicitly for THIS reason, but it’s just one more straw on a too-heavy load.

I didn’t really want to leave NY, but when other circumstances pressured me to it wasn’t that hard given what was happening - and that was 10+ years ago. Not going back, and even when I visit I make a point of spending as little as possible there. Nearly everyone I still know there is of the opinion “I’d leave but for _____.”


43 posted on 01/15/2016 11:22:17 AM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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To: Bobalu

funny


44 posted on 01/15/2016 11:23:34 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Theoria

Waiting for the law and order crowd to exclaim:
But if you don’t have anything to hide then this does not hurt you...

Why shouldn’t the government also have a key to my car, my house, my business? All of the criminals and terrorists will have unbreakable encryption so this is just about ensnaring and criminalizing the average citizen.


45 posted on 01/15/2016 11:29:03 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Red Badger
Anything that can be encrypted can be un-encrypted................

Only if you have the key. Otherwise you have to try brute force, trying every possible key until you get comprehensible results. Apple uses 256bit AES encryption with a key constructed from the passcode the user inputs entangled with a 128 character internal UUID hidden in the Secure Enclave of the device.

If someone really wants to keep anyone out, a sixteen complex passcode which can use all 223 characters available from the keyboard, would result in a 144 character key to encrypt the data. That would require 5.62 undecillion years to try every single possible key using a super computer capable of trying three trillion possible keys a year (150,000 keys per second generated and compared).

5.62 undecillion years equals 5.62 X 10195 years.

46 posted on 01/15/2016 11:30:20 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: Theoria

NYS is defining totalitarianism.


47 posted on 01/15/2016 11:38:19 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Slavery will continue to exist and thrive as long a Islam continues to exist.)
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To: plain talk

I don’t know if Ted would continue his theme on NY or not. It might not be beneficial, but if he were to, he should note this proposed action, plus point out DeBlasio, Schumer, Hillary, Weiner, and others while pointing out he loves New Yorkers with American values.


48 posted on 01/15/2016 11:38:57 AM PST by taterjay
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To: Theoria

I guess the only alternative is learn to speak Navajo and become a code talker.


49 posted on 01/15/2016 11:40:37 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Slavery will continue to exist and thrive as long a Islam continues to exist.)
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To: Theoria

Apple and google won’t comply, so New Yorkers will have to go to Jersey to buy their phones now, I guess.


50 posted on 01/15/2016 11:48:07 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Theoria

Can’t be done.

But, they haven’t outlawed cigarettes yet?


51 posted on 01/15/2016 11:48:24 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: Theoria
fines of $2,500 per device sold in the state after January 1, 2016 .... the proposal before it goes to assembly

Nothing like a good ex post facto law. Why don't they back it up to January 1, 2014, instead. That would generate more revenue.

52 posted on 01/15/2016 11:49:25 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Red Badger

Certainly, but without the keys, it’s a pain in the *** to do (for modern encryption standards).


53 posted on 01/15/2016 11:50:16 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Theoria

Pretty soon it’ll be illegal for two citizens to sit on a park bench having a conversation unless there’s a representative of the government present to monitor the conversation.


54 posted on 01/15/2016 11:53:02 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Vaquero

It is a NY issue. This is a bill being proposed in the state legislature.


55 posted on 01/15/2016 12:13:26 PM PST by Coronal
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To: Swordmaker
5.62 undecillion years equals 5.62 X 10195 years.

So, you're saying there's a chance...............Case closed.................

56 posted on 01/15/2016 12:24:11 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Darksheare
More NY values.

Someone should propose a ban on locks for homes and buildings in New York. It's for the good of the people, because locks hinder law enforcement from going after criminals. Idiot liberals.

57 posted on 01/15/2016 12:32:36 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Red Badger

Provided you can put the final collapse of the universe on hold.


58 posted on 01/15/2016 12:33:33 PM PST by Coronal
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To: Red Badger; Swordmaker

Our resident Apple expert will disagree.


59 posted on 01/15/2016 12:42:20 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (I think Hillary looks tired, don't you?)
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To: Darksheare
More NY values.

Beat me to it. Now, back to the Trumpkin breast beating outrage.

60 posted on 01/15/2016 12:44:54 PM PST by TADSLOS (Trump has sizzle, but Cruz is the real deal. - Jim Robinson 01/11/16)
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