Posted on 08/20/2015 11:08:36 AM PDT by Red Steel
Mark Levin said on "Hannity" tonight that the 14th Amendment does not give citizenship to children of illegal immigrants who are born in the United States.
He said that those claiming that the 14th Amendment allows birthright citizenship are dead wrong, ...
Levin explained that means that Congress - not the president, the courts or U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement - has the power to regulate immigration in this regard.
"Of course Trump is right and Cruz is right and Sessions is right. They're all right," Levin said.
"If you want a policy of open borders, that anybody born here should become a United States citizen, you amend the Constitution. We don't have to amend the Constitution. It says what we say it says," Levin stated. "By statute, going forward, prospectively, Congress can in fact say ... 'No, you cannot make children of illegal aliens American citizens automatically.'"
(Excerpt) Read more at insider.foxnews.com ...
Again, where was Levin when we were talking about "natural born citizen"? He couldn't wait to support the other side even though the two things are the exact same issue.
Our congressional leaders are more Obama than Obama himself.
So let just for argument sake suppose that they ARE born citizens, then just automatically lose that citizenship via a law passed by congress. Problem solved.
All the constitution means is what postmodernist judges can make it say. Just ask Scott “The Law of the Land” Walker.
Can’t strip them from something they already don’t have.
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I agree, I was just laying out the argument that they could be stripped of their citizenship even IF they were determined to be natural born citizens. All that is needed is for congress to pass the appropriate law.
Problem is, is that neither Julia Lynch’s citizenship (she was born in the U.S. pre-1844 to parents who showed no inclination in becoming U.S. citizens) can have her citizenship revoked anymore than those born to illegal aliens 50, 70, 90 years ago (or even 5 minutes ago) can have their citizenship retroactively revoked.
If that was the case, then those descended from (or born to) parents or even grandparents who were illegals (from South America, Europe or anywhere) could have their citizenship revoked retroactively.
Never gonna happen.
Why? Unconstitutional.
Probably under the threat of great bodily harm to he and his family, that would be my guess.
What happened to what those people (who were supposedly sent to Hawaii) supposedly found in hawaii?
I have heard no more on this and maybe Trump can finally tell us if this is true and they did find something...
;)
Don’t hold your breath waiting for a weasley Congress to do that - the better situation is the current one: that there is no citizenship to remove; ergo no vote is needed.
Now we just need somebody to start acting as if that’s the case... no D/L’s for illegals, no tuition breaks, no schools, no state/federal benefits, no SS#, and no jobs.
Courts do wrongfully decide. Never say never.
Congress could remedy with no ex post facto in some manner.
Did anyone see O’Reilly yesterday. This pompous ars raved on like he knows what he is doing and it was sicking. I had to delete the rest of his show. This ars is really sick beyond belief. It was on the anchor babies. Taking the Constitution out of context is the mark of a real sick ars. O’Reilly is too stupid to listen to some of the best Constitutional interpreters in America and this ars was wrong. Trump is right.
Not at all. He was a happy warrior gleefully attacking us "birthers." Now that he better understands the issue, he is on our side.
Press for that or argue in favor of it and we will lose this presidential election.
Please, you and others, drop the retroactive crap.
GEE, I wonder if his CORRECT POSITION on the “PROGRESSIVE” PERVERTED 14th AMENDMENT has anything to do with Trump’s rise in the polls? I just PRAY he’s SINCERE!!!
A prime technique for bringing down an existing social order is to OVERLOAD and OVERWHELM the governmental systems, creating economic and social chaos. What’s going on today is straight out of Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and the Cloward-Piven Strategy named for the Marxist maniac couple who tutored obazo on its finer points. Because we have NOT sent home 20 million illegals, WE NOW HAVE THE FISCAL BANKRUPTCY AND ARE CLOSING IN ON THE SOCIAL CHAOS. BOTH parties have been applying those methods but obozo, who studied those methods under Bill Ayers and later became a devotee of Cloward-Piven strategy while a so-called “community organizer,” is using ALL the gadgets in the radical toolkit. If it continues much longer, YOUR kids are doomed to life as serfs in a nation that will more resemble Nazi Germany or the old USSR than the America the Founders ATTEMPTED to leave us.
My niece was an OB/GYN who took her pre-med at HAAAAVVAAAAADDD! Needless to say, she emerged from that experience a LIBERAL. (She stopped catching babies and went into research when her malpractice premiums ultimately began to exceed her annual earnings.)
Upon completing her medical training at yet another liberal university, she interned at a hospital near the border in “Kahlifonia.”
It was there that a mystical transformation took place: She began to connect the heavy deductions from the slave wage GROSS EARNINGS for which she busted her butt for as many as 72 virtually sleepless hours with the taxis and jalopies regularly sliding to the curb in front of the ER.
Many of them contained pregnant illegals who won the race to deliver their babies HERE. She caught many of those “anchor babies” who, under the current — and COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS —interpretation of the 14th Amendment were IMMEDIATELY NEW AMERICANS. The mother – who, obviously, could not care for the child if she were back in her native land — could not be deported now even if the INS and the political bosses WANTED her deported (which, because these illegals can generally be counted on to vote the liberal line, they DO NOT). And as the mother of a new US citizen, the woman could remain here for about as long as she cared to – and that was usually for life.
(NOTE: I’ll post several links to more information on the 14th Amendment at the end of my little rant. It’s a fascinating and disturbing story.
Most of those patients were welfare recipients and the deliveries were charity cases: The bill for the hospital’s – and HER services – were routinely spread over the bills of those who DO pay. And what the other users of those facilities don’t cover went back to the taxpayers.
And since my family member was now a taxpayer, they were costing HER.
And while she may not exactly be a libertarian, today she has come a long way from Harvard.
And just so the bleeders who might see this don’t think me some sort of ethnocentric bigot, I submit this problem is MORE than just about illegals.
Before my oldest daughter was born at University Hospital in Cleveland in 1967, I sat in the main lobby as welfare mother-to-be after welfare mother-to-be waddled through the door to the maternity ER for THEIR free deliveries.
Before WE could take OUR daughter home, I had to cough up over 3 grand. And that was a great deal of dough in 1967, especially for a guy who’d just finished a 4 year turn in the USAF.
As I wrote the check, I remembered the magazine article I’d recently read by a hospital administrator from Massachusetts who admitted that all US hospitals practiced a form of medical Marxism, spreading the costs of care for indigents over the bills of those who DO pay for care. Given the move to socialism here, it probably will never be otherwise: Not counting Byzantine complexity and confusion, government produces – and has — NOTHING unless it first takes it from some PERSON. SOMEBODY ALWAYS PAYS.
The illegals have been using the emergency rooms of our hospitals for their health-care, almost always at no charge to them. That cost is either spread over other users or the taxpayers. We have seen a national epidemic of hospital closings due to their insolvency, much of it caused by the burden of trying to render care to PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN’T EVEN BE HERE, denying care to native-born citizens who normally pay their bills and their taxes. And, I submit, the drain the illegals impose on the welfare system is a major reason for our national insolvency and the impending social chaos. (Thank you grubby leftist, power-hungry RINO politicians and bureaucrats!)
Look, I have a big enough problem paying for the 3rd and 4th generation slackers and welfare bums who were BORN here.
It’s long past time we stopped paying for those who were not.
PS: Sadly, we lost my niece to cancer in May of 2011 – at age 50!
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AFTER RANT POST:
For a short, Reader’s Digest version of the ORIGINAL intent of the 14th Amendment, go here: http://pocusa.info/NLArchive22_14thAmndt.html . For a more comprehensive explanation of the events surrounding the amendment, go here: http://www.14thamendment.us/index.html )
When foreign ambassadors live for years in the U.S., there must be babies born here. Are those babies American citizens? I’m not sure how it works, but I assume the babies are citizens of their parents’ countries.
If any foreign baby’s parents aren’t American citizens, then neither are the babies. That’s what makes sense to me.
About BOR when he cited that 1985 INS case. It’s a one sentence statement that the kid from two illegal aliens is a US citizen. The problem with BOR’s evidence that the statement did not cited stare decisis - and looks to be dicta and therefore not germane to the case.
As far as we know, The opinion written by Wizard Wizzy White could have be alluding to goof-ball Brennen’s gratuitous conflation and his footnote in 1982, but who knows. ...Maybe the shadow knows.
Of course, there is no risk now.
I firmly believe many on our side were silenced by physical threats, JMHO.
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