The Long Form Birth Certificate (National Review Shows the Photo but it's the COLB)

National Review ^ | 04/27/2011 | Daniel Foster

[SeekAndFind]

Here’s the long-form birth certificate, so birthers can get to work on explaining why we now need a photograph of President Obama’s parents standing in front of Kapiolani hospital with a copy of the August 4, 1961 edition of the Honolulu Star Advertiser  in one hand and a complete genome in the other.

Here’s White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer’s full statement on the matter:

In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. The state sent the campaign the President’s birth certificate, the same legal documentation provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state, and the campaign immediately posted it on the internet. That birth certificate can be seen here (PDF).

When any citizen born in Hawaii requests their birth certificate, they receive exactly what the President received. In fact, the document posted on the campaign website is what Hawaiians use to get a driver’s license from the state and the document recognized by the Federal Government and the courts for all legal purposes. That’s because it is the birth certificate. This is not and should not be an open question.

The President believed the distraction over his birth certificate wasn’t good for the country. It may have been good politics and good TV, but it was bad for the American people and distracting from the many challenges we face as a country. Therefore, the President directed his counsel to review the legal authority for seeking access to the long form certificate and to request on that basis that the Hawaii State Department of Health make an exception to release a copy of his long form birth certificate. They granted that exception in part because of the tremendous volume of requests they had been getting. President Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate can be seen here (PDF):

At a time of great consequence for this country – when we should be debating how we win the future, reduce our deficit, deal with high gas prices, and bring stability to the Middle East, Washington, DC, was once again distracted by a fake issue.  The President’s hope is that with this step, we can move on to debating the bigger issues that matter to the American people and the future of the country.

And here’s the White House’s correspondence with the Hawaii State Department of Health.

What else is happening today? Donald Trump is going to New Hampshire.

[Mike10542]

Sorry, you are legally wrong on this issue. I don’t like it anymore than anyone else does, but someone is a “natural born citizen” if either (1) they were born here; or (2) both their parents were U.S. citizens when born. You simply don’t need both; it’s one or the other.

[hummingbird]

That’s what I wondered, too.

Mother is “Caucasian”
Father is “African”

Wouldn’t, in 1961, it be:

Mother....White
Father......Negro

I’m just asking what would have been used in 1961...

[Mach9]

If what you say is true (1790 clarification), then why did Chester Arthur hide and lie about the fact that his father was not a U. S. citizen?

[babble-on]

so she flew back from Kenya with a two day old baby to create this document.

You’ve convinced me.

[ml/nj]

The letter is interesting. It requests certified copies. Yet I do not see any sign of certification in the images I've seen so far.

ML/NJ

[trozz]

Didn’t this guy read the BIG BOLD PRINT AT THE TOP OF THE DOCUMENT??

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

You might like to do some more research."

I've done my research. Perhaps you should do yours. He meets the age and citizenship requirements as defined by the constitution. Natural born is never defined in the Constitution, but it was in the Naturalization Act of 1790 (note, first Congress. Most of the founders are in it). Anyone born in the U.S. is defined as "Natural Born". At first it was whites only, this was further expanded in the Naturalization Act of 1870 to include all races.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: Yes, if the form is real it merely proves he is not eligible to be president. Ironically, if it showed his father was Frank Davis the Marxist, it would show he was eligible.

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As I said before, THE ISSUE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS — HOW DO YOU DEFINE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN BY LAW?

Mant FReepers insist that we go by what they believe the Framers of the constitution understood the term, ‘Natural Born’ to be, which they describes thusly:

1) BORN IN AMERICAN SOIL.

2) BORN OF TWO PARENTS WHO ARE *BOTH* AMERICAN CITIZENS AT THE TIME OF BIRTH.

IF the above definition is correct ( and that is in dispute ), then the Birth Certificate’s release only shows that Obama passed on requirement ( #1 above ).

His father’s citizenship at the time of his birth is now the question.

The sticking point is the ACCEPTED LEGAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF THE TERM —— NATURAL-BORN.

[ReignOfError]

Yes, this is different from the OTHER COLB that has been foisted upon us for the last 3 years. BUT, it is still lacking information, such as length & weight of the baby. And why is it on this funky green background and looking like it is part of a roll of paper document? If it is from microfiche, you know it doesn’t look like that. What gives?

AND the signature of the issuing registrar is NOT on the document but on the fakey green background. Something is not right here.

It's a photocopy. It was copied onto security paper, and then the copy was certified. The curl at the edge of the copy is because the original was bound into a volume, and was either copied or shot to microfilm/fiche from there. The length and weight are not present on contemporaneous birth certificates from Hawaii.

[chuckles]

...."It’s over. Let’s talk about spending cuts vs. tax hikes."....

I tend to agree. The only problem is we have now opened the can of worms that will allow an anchor baby that waves the Mexican flag and can't speak English to become President. By not challenging the NBC portion of the BC, we are tacitly overriding the Constitution. We will, no doubt very soon be revisiting this with a baby with one parent not a citizen.

By concentrating of the location of birth, now to bring up the father's nationality will just be like turning the Titanic with a canoe oar. He will be easier to defeat by looking at what he is doing to the country than harping about a breech in Constitutional law. The breech in law will again haunt us later.

[MissDairyGoodnessVT]

how does this one compare to the Nordyke twins?

[LivingNet]

The Key is the wording at the bottom.
Nordyke one says "true and CORRECT copy".
Obama one says "true copy or ABSTRACT".

Abstract in Merriam/Webster dictionary says:
1c - insufficiently factual
2 - expressing a quality apart from the original
4 - having only intrinsic form with little or no attempt at pictorial representation or narrative content.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"If what you say is true (1790 clarification), then why did Chester Arthur hide and lie about the fact that his father was not a U. S. citizen?"

He's also supposed to have been born in Canada, not Vermont.

[Cyber Ninja]

In 1961 it would have been negro, don't you think?

They got Mom right, Caucasian.

[imfrmdixie]

The doctor’s name looks to me like David Sinclair....and what I found interesting is that there is a David Sinclair who was a Harvard Medical School professor. HMMMMMMM....and another question I have is why is Barack H. Obama listed as Obama II rather than Jr......is there another BHO, Jr. somewhere? II is entirely different than Jr.

[Josh Painter]

The numbers are not sequential, nor should they necessarily be. The data for COLBs are keyed in from local gov’t offices in many different locations around a state. When the records were first computerized, the numbers were assigned after the data has been keyed in and the operator hit “Enter.”

There are many reasons why the numbers wouldn’t be sequential and in chronological order. Some offices were quicker than others about getting the data keyed in.

- JP

[ml/nj]

I don’t think this new one looks like the Nordyke twins long form. Anybody remember?

I guess they had a different Registrar on August 11th.

ML/NJ

[Campion]

From this link:

Dr. David A. Sinclair, 81, of Honolulu, a retired physician, died Aug. 20, 2003, at home. He was born in Portland, Ore. He is survived by wife Ivalee; sons David, Karl and Brian; daughters Margaret Peterson, Rebekah Luke and Ruth and Katherine Sinclair; 11 grandchildren; and one great-grandchild. Services: 5:30 p.m. Wednesday at Central Union Church Atherton Chapel. Call after 4:30 p.m. Aloha attire. No flowers. Donations suggested to Alzheimer's Association of Hawaii.

[LifePath]

I agree. Although I think there is merit to questioning why he spent so much covering up almost EVERYTHING about his life, at the same time I think we just took a torpedo. This particular issue is done for. There isn’t enough there there to use the question of NBC to sink this guy. Too bad.

[Mr Rogers]

“Mark Levin is a constitutional lawyer and he isn’t touching this. “

(page 246)
And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President. “No person except a natural bom citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” &c. The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not.

(pg 250)
6. Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States States, whatever were the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen.

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/Lynch_v_Clarke_1844_ocr.pdf

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As early as 1844, courts were deciding the evidence showed you could have alien parents and still be a natural born citizen. Levin knows this. Birthers do not.