Posted on 08/06/2010 7:40:24 AM PDT by Jonah Vark
A court hearing is scheduled for Friday in the case of an Army officer who has refused to deploy to Afghanistan because, in his view, President Barack Obama has not proven that he was born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president.
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I'm sorry you don't seem the understand the “big picture” or choose to ignore it. One doctor not deploying will have far less impact on this country than the possibility of having one President prove his eligibility. Your straw man argument doesn't hold water to anyone who truly cares about our country. The danger this officer has placed himself in is heroic even if not well thought-out. Would you rather no one do anything or someone step up to the plate and at least take a swing? Your spin is out of balance and sure to fail.
It's a sad day in this Nation when our President doesn't have to prove his eligibility and people like you front for him.
“Obama’s Passport File
It should be added that “Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser”, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March 2008 for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July.
“The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies.
“During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation.
“Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to ‘cauterize’ the records of potentially embarrassing information.
“ ‘They looked at the McCain and Clinton files as well to create confusion,’ one knowledgeable source told Newsmax. ‘But this was basically an attempt to cauterize the Obama file.’
“At the time of the breach, Brennan was working as an unpaid adviser to the Obama campaign.
” ‘This individual’s actions were taken without the knowledge or direction of anyone at The Analysis Corp. and are wholly inconsistent with our professional and ethical standards,’ Brennan’s company said in a statement sent to reporters after the passport breach was made public.
“The passport files include ‘personally identifiable information such as the applicant’s name, gender, social security number, date and place of birth, and passport number,’ according to the inspector general report.
“The files may contain additional information including ‘original copies of the associated documents,’ the report added. Such documents include birth certificates, naturalization certificates, or oaths of allegiance for U.S.-born persons who adopted the citizenship of a foreign country as minors.”
“The State Department Office of Inspector General (OIG) issued a 104-page report on the breach last July. Although it is stamped ‘Sensitive but Unclassified,’ the report was heavily redacted in the version released to the public, with page after page blacked out entirely.”
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/brennan_passport_breach/2009/01/12/170430.html
The following may be relevant:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/19/key-witness-in-passport-fraud-case-fatally-shot/
Key witness in passport fraud case fatally shot
Saturday, April 19, 2008
“A key witness in a federal probe into passport information stolen from the State Department was fatally shot in front of a District church, the Metropolitan Police Department said yesterday.
“Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, who had been cooperating with a federal investigators, was found late Thursday night slumped dead inside a car, in front of the Judah House Praise Baptist Church in Northeast, said Cmdr. Michael Anzallo, head of the department’s Criminal Investigations Division.
“Cmdr. Anzallo said a police officer was patrolling the neighborhood when gunshots were heard, then Lt. Harris was found dead inside the vehicle, which investigators would describe only as a blue car.
“Emergency medics pronounced him dead at the scene.
“City police said they do not know whether his death was a direct result of his cooperation with federal investigators.
“We don’t have any information right now that connects his murder to that case,” Cmdr. Anzallo said.”
Who says that they will not? How short is the short form you are talking about? I have a one page birth certificate that says no more than the Hawaii computer printout, and I also have a business card sized one. Not sure if the business card sized one has all the necessary information, but it should!
The US State Department, under the Constitutional provision of general laws passed by Congress has prescribed the minimum requirements (i.e. the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved).
Either way, if it meets the requirements as prescribed by Congress, other States are required under the Constitution to give it “full faith and credit”.
Get a Drivers License.
Get a Passport.
Join the USAF.
Speaking of “Baby books” though, anyone else have one? Ever notice that your oldest sibling has PAGES AND PAGES filled out, and your youngest sibling is lucky to even have a book with something in it?!?!?!
LOL!
I suggest you do a little research befoe making definitive statements
http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB121842058533028907.html
as for California short forms just google passport california short forms
As for the Texas case, apparently midwives filed tons of fraudulent birth records of Mexicans to try to say they were born in the USA; obviously there is no requirement that a fraudulent document be given “full faith and credit”.
Seems that in both cases, the “full faith and credit” is being applied. In California to a printout, but not the abstract; and in Texas if you can show your supposedly mid-wived birth was not filed fraudulently.
I would like the same standards of assumption of fraud applied to Hawaii! As many have reported that they would take your ‘say so’, and/or issue birth certificates to people NOT born in Hawaii (although presumably their proof of live birth wouldn't fraudulently list a Hawaii locale as the place of birth).
A certified birth certificate has a registrar’s raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html
Fact: Has Obama provided the above? NO!
Fact: It is a simple matter to prove that one is a natural born citizen.
Fact: Obama has gone to considerable effort and spent tax dollars and his own to prevent the release of the common documents that would prove ( or disprove) his natural born status.
Fact: A natural born president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove ( with the **best** evidence) to any soldier or citizen that he was indeed natural born and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief.
Conclusion: That Obama has treated military officers and citizens in the manner that he has, strongly indicates that he is a usurper.
But wouldn’t it be better to have any documents concerning Obama’s birth to be released without authorization FROM Obama? That’s why I am suggesting subpoenaed documents not Obama released documents. If folks don’t accept the validity of his COLB, why should they accept the validity of his long form certificate? If the Governor of Hawaii, the Attorney General of Hawaii, the Director of Health of Hawaii and the Registrar of Records of Hawaii are all standing behind Obama’s birth there, do you really think that the long form is going to say something different? Why would four Republicans/Republican appointees put their very professional futures on the line for Obama?
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Senator McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”—Governor of Hawaii Linda Lingle (R)
“There have been numerous requests for Senator Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”—July 27, 2009
“A spurious claim questioning the President’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.“–US Federal District Court Judge for the Middle District of Georgia Clay D. Land in dismissing “Rhodes v MacDonald” September 16, 2009
Judge Land is a former Repubican Georgia State Senator from Columbus. He was recommended for the federal judiciary by Republican Senator Saxby Chambliss and he was appointed to the District Court bench by President George W. Bush
Thanks for the correction, that Hawaii DOH DOES have a vault copy long form; as well as the fact that they are required by law to release it to you if you ask for your own records!
So, while there is no REQUIREMENT, for the long form; it is interesting that there has been no effort by 0bama to request the long form.
Some may think it is because he has something to hide in that long form (speculation about religion, which IIRC isn't listed; speculation about paternity listed (was it 0bama? Strange to name the baby after a guy, and then not list him as the father.)); others think that it may be because 0bama assumes that this issue hurts us more than it hurts him.
Right now I think the tables are turning on THAT one. If enough people think that he isn't Constitutionally qualified, or that he is hiding something - his chances of reelection suffer! GOOD!
According to Hawaii statutes could a long form birth certificate have been requested instead of a short form?
...although neither of us has found an actual mechanism...
Are you saying that the laws on the books aren't the mechanism by which one obtains copies of their own information?
What other mechanism is there? Some form that has to be filled out and sent in?
As does my Colorado short form, as does Obama's Factcheck short form.
What "big picture"? One doctor weaseled out of his deployment. This means another doctor took his spot. And if you think Obama's eligibility will factor into Lakin's Court-martial in any way whatsoever, you'll soon be shown different.
Already debunked by numerous sources. You’ve been debunked numerous times on this issue here at FR. Go back to DU.
Complete garbage, Mine has a signature and a raised seal. It was required for my pass port, entry into the military and I used for my drivers license.
According to Hawaii statutes could a long form birth certificate have been requested instead of a short form?
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