Posted on 08/06/2010 7:40:24 AM PDT by Jonah Vark
A court hearing is scheduled for Friday in the case of an Army officer who has refused to deploy to Afghanistan because, in his view, President Barack Obama has not proven that he was born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president.
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But who gets to see it? If you request any sort of ‘proof of birth’ from Hawaii DOH, what they send you is the computer printout form.
Is there a mechanism whereby an individual gets to see their original long form? Because the infamous “$12 and this all goes away!” lament is deceptive in that $12 to the Hawaii DOH buys you a computer printout form, NOT the much ballyhooed “long form”.
Look at the suspicions today about OB. Is he a moslem and helping them to further their world conquest. Doesn't he have a foreign disposition about US history and culture, devleoped by his father and being educated elsewhere. It seems to me on many occasions he is about 2 standard deviations off on the way he sees traditional American experiences.
My bet is somewhere within the hundreds of thousands of pages of legislation that no one read is a paragraph that says that Obama doesn’t have to be born in America to be President.
It wouldn't have taken much to say “a natural born citizen and the child of two citizens” in the Constitution, and yet you seem convinced that they omitted this requirement that they most certainly meant to include.
I don't think their view of natural law was such that if one was born in America, with parentage that was British; that one would necessarily be loyal to Britain - the founders certainly were not loyal to Britain!
0bama never really knew his father. His radicalism was taught to him by his mother and grandparents, all radical socialist/Marxists; and his friends and associates, all radical Communists and/or terrorists.
If the President is not able to serve for any reason, the VP is sworn in as President. So we get Biden.
“The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.”
So apparently there IS NO mechanism whereby one can request or see their ‘vault’ copy long form from Hawaii DOH.
“Under the full faith and credit clause, if Hawaii says that computer printout is proof of birth within Hawaii, the other States and the Fed have to accept it as proof of birth within Hawaii.”
To anyone who knows anything about consitutional law, your statement is categorically false.
The latest example of the noblesse oblige attitude of the federal judiciary is the decision by the federal district court gutting Arizona’s laws, and by diktat ordering Arizona to not enforce it’s `mirror image’ laws of federal immigration and nationalization laws because the feds—under Bush, and now Obama—have adopted an attitude of salutary neglect towards their own laws.
In other words, if the feds aren’t enforcing the law, nobody should enforce the law.
In a trial in which a document is a critical piece of evidence a federal judge with any sense of professionalism and integrity at all would require that federal evidence rules apply, regardless of what the great state of Hawaii opines or any spurious law put forth by those who carry water for Obama. And here that would be the `best evidence’ rule.
Question: What would occur if it is proven, somehow, that Mr. Obama is not a US citizen?
Would his election be nullified? Or would Biden become president? Would a special election be held?
Ideas, anyone?
Usually this is a canard that is tossed up by liberal and fraud-con talkers who mock the Birthers....while at the same time support Obama by not bringing up the Birther/Eligibility issue
When it is discovered that Obama is not Constitutionally able to serve as President....the Dems have a choice: Force Obama to resign, OR, lose the 2012 election.
Also, Obama would not be able to get on the ballot in many states, as Americans will challenge his ineligibility.
There would be no need to go to the Supreme Court, for Obama pretty much would be a lame duck president...and few will see him as legitimate
If we continue to ignore the Birther issue...we definitely enable Obama to stay in office and run again in 2012. Enablers help Obama by ridiculing and ignoring Birthers....sad is many of these same people had no problem making issues with Clinton’s “stained dress” back in the 1990’s. We have some real wussies in the GOP and Talk Radio
Actually, if he just showed up with an out of state drivers license that was still valid that would be good in Colorado.
Spoken like a true Obama supporter....
“Under the full faith and credit clause, if Hawaii says that computer printout is proof of birth within Hawaii, the other States and the Fed have to accept it as proof of birth within Hawaii.”
Actually, it claims that there is a document on file on which a claim is made that the event occurred in Hawaii. Please consider an article I have found to be helpful.
There have been various posts defining NBC in the 18th century. I am not informed enough to support or discount the literature. It doesn't surprise me that every thing in the constitution is not well defined or spelled out.
As I think we have agreed: need a USSC ruling and let's move on and I don't mean dot org.
Colorado issues the same "short form" CoLB that Hawaii uses. My original Colorado BC was lost and when I needed a replacement, the one they sent me looked just like Obama's "Factcheck" BC, only the State and the entered information were different.
And, yes, I used this "short form" to get a driver's license, a passport and enlist in the military.
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