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US says FL can't opt out (Of ObamaCare)
Health Florida News ^ | 4/24/10 | Carl Gentry

Posted on 04/24/2010 3:19:30 PM PDT by pissant

Only hours after the Florida House and Senate voted to “opt out” of the new federal health law, the top U.S. health official said Thursday night that will not be permitted.

Without mentioning any particular state or going into detail, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that state and local officials can vent all they want about a so-called “federal takeover” of health care. But they cannot deny their citizens access to its benefits or requirements, she told the Association of Health Care Journalists.

“They may want to opt out, but they don’t get to opt out all of their citizens who want and need health care,” Sebelius said.

Florida has an estimated 4 million uninsured, most of whom will be covered when the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) takes full effect in 2014.

At least 30 states have passed state constitutional amendment legislation similar to that approved by the Florida Legislature, according to theNational Conference of State Legislatures.

Sebelius said the backlash against the ACA has been ginned up by “misinformation,” much of it deliberate. Thus HHS will be setting up an Internet site to answer frequent questions and a toll-free helpline, similar to that operated for Medicare beneficiaries. HHS staff members present at the conference said they hope to have the Internet site up by July 1 and the help desk soon after.

(Excerpt) Read more at healthnewsflorida.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; healthcare; isobamaateabagger; larrysinclairslover; obama; obamacare; socialism; statesrights
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To: Venturer

“Like Obama said “they won”.”

Ah, excuse me, you’re in our way. Could you move over please and let the rest of us through? You’re blocking our view of a free republic.


61 posted on 04/24/2010 4:04:21 PM PDT by MWestMom (Tread carefully, truth lies here.)
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To: Thermalseeker

>>> You might want to brush up on your pre-civil war history just a wee bit.....

Feel free to educate me.

No doubt there were several states rights issues which were testing the resolve of the states against the federal government... but it was state condoned slavery which defined the war front.

If it was not a state’s choice to comply or reject Lincoln’s anti-slavery edict that defined them as confederate or union, then what was it?


62 posted on 04/24/2010 4:04:26 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: manc

“so my state says you will not be forced to purchase something you do not want

DC says no go to hell we have to buy what we say

bozo and his commies friends are really getting pissed off by the states fighting back
I bet they didn’t count on this when they planned the take over years ago”

The nub of the issue is simple. Short of intimidation or browbeating or deception such that the people voluntarily put chains upon themselves, every utopian must sooner or later resort to external, coercive force. At that point, the utopian invites a response in kind, and may or may not win with that wager.


63 posted on 04/24/2010 4:04:33 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Is it sedition to defy usurpation?)
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To: Venturer

Wrong on all counts. And being wrong can really screw you up, friend. The States are not mere subdivisions of the Federal Government. The Civil War was fought to preserve the Union of the Independent States. Certainly, not to subordinate them as vassals of the Federals. There’s a big difference.


64 posted on 04/24/2010 4:04:55 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: manc
"You actually think that thousands of men just marched for a thousands miles to fight at the end to free the black man."

There were draft riots in New York by people who didn't to fight the south. Slavery was a secondary issue. And I don't advocate slavery. I'm just hoping to avoid it now.

65 posted on 04/24/2010 4:07:39 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: pissant

Hate to see states start to ‘opt out’ of the Union, then.


66 posted on 04/24/2010 4:07:49 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: dtrpscout
" The Civil War was fought to preserve the Union of the Independent States. Certainly, not to subordinate them as vassals of the Federals."

It sure doesn't seem that way now does it? It wasn't that way then.

67 posted on 04/24/2010 4:10:41 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Psalm 144
Short of intimidation or browbeating or deception such that the people voluntarily put chains upon themselves, every utopian must sooner or later resort to external, coercive force.

Every socialist is a latent totalitarian.

Their scheme requires that people submit to rules they don't want to submit to. Therefore, coercion becomes an essential part of the proposition.

68 posted on 04/24/2010 4:11:31 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Psalm 144

Great points and post!!!


69 posted on 04/24/2010 4:11:33 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: Safrguns

Sorry, friend. Wrong. Dead wrong. Not even close. It was ENTIRELY about States’ rights.


70 posted on 04/24/2010 4:14:09 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: fatnotlazy

Does anyone else see “1861 re-do”? Only this time there will be no argument that it’s about states’ rights.

It is so obvious these clowns in charge today believe there should be no state borders.


71 posted on 04/24/2010 4:14:32 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Founding Fathers.....grave....rolling over.)
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To: pissant
What is so strange about the states not having anything to say about whether they want ObamaCare or not?

Neither did the vast majority of the subjects, er, electorate who were screaming their heads off for months trying to get their voices heard!

72 posted on 04/24/2010 4:14:38 PM PDT by Gritty (I'm a little amused when people at the rallies complain about taxes - B. Hussein Obama, 04/15/2010)
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To: bigbob

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some states will try to secede. Don’t know if they will be successful, but it looks like it’s going to be a long hot summer for this administration and its lackeys. Between the tea parties, the primaries and general elections, various lawsuits against the feds over health care, Blogo’s subpoenas and what not, Obama and his henchmen will be fighting on a lot of fronts. And when you have to fight on too many fronts, you are more likely to fail. If that happens, I’ll be dancing on the nearest bar.


73 posted on 04/24/2010 4:15:21 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: pissant

It’s hilarious Kathleen “H1N1” Sebelius should talk about ‘misinformation.’


74 posted on 04/24/2010 4:16:25 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Terry Mross

Of course, they don’t want borders. It’s all part of Obama’s vision of one world government with himself in charge. He’s hell bent on world domination.


75 posted on 04/24/2010 4:17:42 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: blackbart.223

The right to Liberty necessarily precludes slavery, especially since ALL men are created equal. However, there is no decree in the Declaration of Independence or right enumerated in the Constitution whereby the US Federal Government can do what it is trying to do.

Fighting to eliminate slavery - with the ancillary issue of States not being able to continue the practice of slavery which violated the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution - is radically different from the fight against Obamacare, especially from a States Rights issue. The States are not fighting to keep an immoral, unconstitutional institution running, but to keep such an institution from being established.


76 posted on 04/24/2010 4:19:44 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: fatnotlazy
"It’s all part of Obama’s vision of one world government with himself in charge. "

He inherited that from the Bushes for sure!

77 posted on 04/24/2010 4:20:37 PM PDT by matthew fuller (#11. Thou shalt not argue with morons.)
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To: Safrguns

Human rights? That term is in the US Constitution?

That is the main problem, folks adding what they think along the way. Just read it and quote it as written, you’ll never be in error if you do that.

Best;


78 posted on 04/24/2010 4:21:51 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: Psalm 144
I love Margaret Thatcher and Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Clarence Thomas and Alan Keyes. But this is not the rule. Black countries have a terrible history of always being dictatorships. Exceptional women are fine. What's the point? The point is enough already with the phony quotas and affirmative action and unconstitutionally government-forced equality as I already said.

It’s OK for you to like who you like and me to like who I like. What isn't OK is for government to force their ideas of association or non-association on us.

79 posted on 04/24/2010 4:23:06 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: manc
you actually think that thousands of men just marched for a thousands miles to fight at the end to free the black man?

I seriously doubt it was the battle cry of the union army... but from Lincoln's perspective, the union could not survive WITH slavery.

have you read where Lincoln says that he has no intention to free slaves and that the purpose to go to war was to preserve the union and not free slaves?

No I have not read where he said that. Surely you have a source to quote or refer me to.

If he said it, then I can see where his argument was simply defining the justification for war vs a federal police action to enforce the slavery ban. There would be a major difference there. When the states themselves at top governmental levels oppose the federal government, the only recourse available to the federal government IS war... HOWEVER... had the federal government's cause not been just (i.e. not about slavery), then the union army soldiers may not have been willing to fight.

And of course finally, if it was not about slavery, then where was it allowed after the civil war? If Lincoln didn't free the slaves, then who did?
80 posted on 04/24/2010 4:23:08 PM PDT by Safrguns
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