Posted on 04/14/2010 9:10:31 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
An Army doc who refuses to go to Afghanistan until President Obama produces a birth certificate will face court-martial.
Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, a decorated military man who has become a part of the fringe "birther" movement - which believes President Obama was not born in the United States - could face a dishonorable discharge for failing to obey orders, MSNBC reported on Tuesday.
The 18-year veteran came out in support of the largely discredited conspiracy theorists at the end of March, proclaiming he would "disobey" his "illegal" orders to deploy.
"I believe all servicemen and women, and the American people, deserve the truth about President Obama's constitutional eligibility to the office of the presidency and the commander in chief," he said in a video statement posted on YouTube on March 30.
The Bronze Star Medal recipient refuses to go to Afghanistan for a second tour until Obama releases his birth certificate showing he was, in fact, born in the U.S.
"Seeking out public office, especially the highest in our land, means you must uphold the Constitution, Mr. President, and confirm your eligibility," Lakin said in the video.
The Army doctor was informed of his court-martial by his brigade commander, and his Pentagon building pass and laptop have been seized, MSNBC reported.
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Like...under the authority of the prez? Come on dude, keep up!
So you think Obama sits in his office every day and goes down a list and says, "OK, I think the 620th Medical Unit should go to Afghanistan starting....May 30th" or something like that? Or does he get into the nitty-gritty and say, "Issue orders for Smith, Jones, Lakin, Thomas, and Williams to deploy to Afghanistan." The order sending Lakin and his unit overseas did not originate with the White House. It didn't originate with the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of the Army or even the Chief of Staff. It no doubt originated in whatever Army directorate is responsible for maintaining the rotation in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama may approve manning levels but the one who ordered Lakin to go is some General elsewhere in the Pentagon. It is his order, and his subordinate and that person's subordinate on down to his direct CO that Lakin is disobeying. And it is their order he will have to demonstrate is unlawful or their position he will have to prove is illegitimate. Not Obama's. Obama will never even enter into the picture.
You have no idea, do you? lol
I guess you can only play dumb so long before people get tired of you....ciao!
And you've raised it to a high art, let me tell you. But I wasn't tired of listening to your unusual theories, honest.
The latest poll results on NY Daily News
55% - unanswered - Obama needs to show his birth certificate
31% - settled - Obama was born in Hawaii
15% - won’t change anyone’s mind
Nice to know I'm in good company then.
If they had strong reasons to suspect that one of those officers was an imposter, say the total lack of any documentation about that officer's life etc, then yes they should ask for proof of theri legitimacy.
Here we have a commander-in-chief who has NO background whatsoever. No one remembers him at the schools he supposedly went to. No articles were ever written or posted by him, even though he claims to have done so. No proof of his birth has ever been produced. AND he has ACTIVELY fought against anyone knowing any of these things.
His behavior screams out that he is illegitimate (in more ways than one.
obama can solve this whole thing so easily y just releasing his birth certificate (which lists doctor and place of birth) and other life records. Why doesn't he? Because he's not a natural born citizen! What other possible reason for hiding his entire past is there? None!
It' snot the military getting involved in politics. It's one man demanding to know if the orders he has received are valid. You do not stop being a citizen when you sign up for the army. It is his Constitutional right to know.
If a horse is sworn in as senator does that make it a senator? No. Why? Because it is ineligible to be sworn in (serve in that office).
The oath is void unless the person taking it is LEGALLY entitled to serve in that office.
No matter how many oaths obama may have taken, if he is not a natural born citizen (and he is not) then the oath is invalid.
That's the definition of a civilian, not a commissioned officer. He is obliged to comply with all lawful orders. The orders committing U.S. Forces to combat in Iraq and Afghanistan were issued by President George W. Bush and were authorized by Congress. The Secretary of Defense and the Service Secretaries have lawful authority to order the deployment of individuals and forces pursuant to those orders. There is a reason that they call them orders, not invitations.
But, some competent authority would have to declare it to be a horse, your opinion would not count. Only the Courts can now declare Obama to be ineligible. Since he was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States, the Courts must hold that he is elibible until someone can bring a case and present evidence that he is not. Every attempt thus far has failed because these bozo lawyers just want to stand in front of the courthouse with their trick pony.
Exactly. If I were to order him to afghanistan he would have to refuse as it would not be a lawful order as I have no authority to issue such an order.
ALL orders issued by anyone in the military derive from the Constitutional authority invested in the president as the c-in-c. If the president is not lawful (and the current (p)resident is not) then no orders are lawful.
C316->But, some competent authority would have to declare it to be a horse, your opinion would not count.
Exactly. And NO competent authority has declared that obama is a natural born citizen.
Only the Courts can now declare Obama to be ineligible. Since he was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States, the Courts must hold that he is elibible until someone can bring a case and present evidence that he is not. Every attempt thus far has failed because these bozo lawyers just want to stand in front of the courthouse with their trick pony.
Also exactly. Perhaps this will force them to finally do thier jobs and determine if he is eligible or not.
I think part of the problem is that we have never had a usurper before. The first time dealing with any Constitutional crisis is always the hardest
The current President is lawful, beyond doubt. And he will remain so until some Constitutional challenge is heard and ruled upon. A bunch of Freepers, birthers, Shriners, or Rotarians clammering that he is not doesn't count, even if they are right.
And this is where we disagree. EVERY president prior to this was KNOWN to have been eligible to serve in that office (their birth records etc were published and/or easily available etc). This (p)resident is NOT KNOWN to be eligible. Until he proves his eligibility he is not lawful.
If Obammy had a legitimate, Hawaiian, long-form birth certificate signed by the delivering doctor - he would have released it a long time ago. Until he does so, I’m convinced he is an impostor.
The Constitution requires him to be born here in the America, but the framers didn’t designate anyone to enforce these statutes. Because a majority of Congress is corrupt, they will not enforce this issue either.
I believe this issue will have to be dealt with by the states. I’ve heard that several states have proposed legislation requiring Presidential winners to provide proof of their Constitutional eligibility to serve before certifying state election results.
May God bless Lt. Col. Lakin for his courageous stand.
Actually no. Chester A. Arthur was born in Canada and disguised that fact. And Obama certified that he was eligible in order to get on the ballot in all the states. So he is legit, until someone successfully challenges his assertion.
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