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'Birther' Lt. Col. Terry Lakin to be court-martialed for refusing order to deploy to Afghanistan
NY Daily News ^ | April 14, 2010 | Michael Sheridan

Posted on 04/14/2010 9:10:31 AM PDT by Smokeyblue

An Army doc who refuses to go to Afghanistan until President Obama produces a birth certificate will face court-martial.

Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, a decorated military man who has become a part of the fringe "birther" movement - which believes President Obama was not born in the United States - could face a dishonorable discharge for failing to obey orders, MSNBC reported on Tuesday.

The 18-year veteran came out in support of the largely discredited conspiracy theorists at the end of March, proclaiming he would "disobey" his "illegal" orders to deploy.

"I believe all servicemen and women, and the American people, deserve the truth about President Obama's constitutional eligibility to the office of the presidency and the commander in chief," he said in a video statement posted on YouTube on March 30.

The Bronze Star Medal recipient refuses to go to Afghanistan for a second tour until Obama releases his birth certificate showing he was, in fact, born in the U.S.

"Seeking out public office, especially the highest in our land, means you must uphold the Constitution, Mr. President, and confirm your eligibility," Lakin said in the video.

The Army doctor was informed of his court-martial by his brigade commander, and his Pentagon building pass and laptop have been seized, MSNBC reported.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: army; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; terrylakin
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To: Getsmart64
Ever hear of delegated authority?
141 posted on 04/14/2010 2:14:25 PM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: verity
Ever hear of delegated authority?

Like...under the authority of the prez? Come on dude, keep up!

142 posted on 04/14/2010 2:32:50 PM PDT by Getsmart64
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To: Getsmart64
If not the President, then the Sec of Def and/or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is a loose cannon with deployment orders? My understanding is that the President directs one or the other to issue those orders.

So you think Obama sits in his office every day and goes down a list and says, "OK, I think the 620th Medical Unit should go to Afghanistan starting....May 30th" or something like that? Or does he get into the nitty-gritty and say, "Issue orders for Smith, Jones, Lakin, Thomas, and Williams to deploy to Afghanistan." The order sending Lakin and his unit overseas did not originate with the White House. It didn't originate with the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of the Army or even the Chief of Staff. It no doubt originated in whatever Army directorate is responsible for maintaining the rotation in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama may approve manning levels but the one who ordered Lakin to go is some General elsewhere in the Pentagon. It is his order, and his subordinate and that person's subordinate on down to his direct CO that Lakin is disobeying. And it is their order he will have to demonstrate is unlawful or their position he will have to prove is illegitimate. Not Obama's. Obama will never even enter into the picture.

143 posted on 04/14/2010 2:37:07 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Getsmart64

You have no idea, do you? lol


144 posted on 04/14/2010 2:37:28 PM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I guess you can only play dumb so long before people get tired of you....ciao!


145 posted on 04/14/2010 2:44:45 PM PDT by Getsmart64
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To: ZULU
Problem is, a good case can be made that not only Biden but the entire echelon of the dem party has committed felonies.
Biden would face impeachment. Same with San Fran Nan. It was her duty to confirm BO was eligible. Can't say they didn't know because it's public record that BO’s father wasn't an American citizen.
We're going to end up with a constitutional crisis the likes of which we've never seen.
146 posted on 04/14/2010 3:00:34 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Getsmart64
I guess you can only play dumb so long before people get tired of you...

And you've raised it to a high art, let me tell you. But I wasn't tired of listening to your unusual theories, honest.

147 posted on 04/14/2010 3:13:59 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Smokeyblue

The latest poll results on NY Daily News

55% - unanswered - Obama needs to show his birth certificate

31% - settled - Obama was born in Hawaii

15% - won’t change anyone’s mind


148 posted on 04/14/2010 5:32:11 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Mr Rogers
Of course, I’m a paid Obama troll myself, according to birthers...

Nice to know I'm in good company then.

149 posted on 04/14/2010 6:21:44 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TankerKC
Under this logic, every person in the military can delay compliance with any order until they view the commission orders of all officers in their chain of command. Do you really want that?

If they had strong reasons to suspect that one of those officers was an imposter, say the total lack of any documentation about that officer's life etc, then yes they should ask for proof of theri legitimacy.

Here we have a commander-in-chief who has NO background whatsoever. No one remembers him at the schools he supposedly went to. No articles were ever written or posted by him, even though he claims to have done so. No proof of his birth has ever been produced. AND he has ACTIVELY fought against anyone knowing any of these things.

His behavior screams out that he is illegitimate (in more ways than one.

obama can solve this whole thing so easily y just releasing his birth certificate (which lists doctor and place of birth) and other life records. Why doesn't he? Because he's not a natural born citizen! What other possible reason for hiding his entire past is there? None!

150 posted on 04/15/2010 5:06:19 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: centurion316
Lakin is on a fool’s errand, and he is going to find out that alot of people will work very hard to ensure that the U.S. military stays out of partisan politics. Believe me, you do not want the military playing little reindeer political games.

It' snot the military getting involved in politics. It's one man demanding to know if the orders he has received are valid. You do not stop being a citizen when you sign up for the army. It is his Constitutional right to know.

151 posted on 04/15/2010 5:08:41 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: CTK YKC
Obama became the LAWFUL commander in chief when he was sworn in.

If a horse is sworn in as senator does that make it a senator? No. Why? Because it is ineligible to be sworn in (serve in that office).

The oath is void unless the person taking it is LEGALLY entitled to serve in that office.

No matter how many oaths obama may have taken, if he is not a natural born citizen (and he is not) then the oath is invalid.

152 posted on 04/15/2010 5:13:25 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
It's one man demanding to know if the orders he has received are valid.

That's the definition of a civilian, not a commissioned officer. He is obliged to comply with all lawful orders. The orders committing U.S. Forces to combat in Iraq and Afghanistan were issued by President George W. Bush and were authorized by Congress. The Secretary of Defense and the Service Secretaries have lawful authority to order the deployment of individuals and forces pursuant to those orders. There is a reason that they call them orders, not invitations.

153 posted on 04/15/2010 5:41:28 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: John O
If a horse is sworn in as senator does that make it a senator?

But, some competent authority would have to declare it to be a horse, your opinion would not count. Only the Courts can now declare Obama to be ineligible. Since he was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States, the Courts must hold that he is elibible until someone can bring a case and present evidence that he is not. Every attempt thus far has failed because these bozo lawyers just want to stand in front of the courthouse with their trick pony.

154 posted on 04/15/2010 5:49:00 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
That's the definition of a civilian, not a commissioned officer. He is obliged to comply with all lawful orders

Exactly. If I were to order him to afghanistan he would have to refuse as it would not be a lawful order as I have no authority to issue such an order.

ALL orders issued by anyone in the military derive from the Constitutional authority invested in the president as the c-in-c. If the president is not lawful (and the current (p)resident is not) then no orders are lawful.

155 posted on 04/15/2010 6:48:57 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: centurion316
johno->If a horse is sworn in as senator does that make it a senator?

C316->But, some competent authority would have to declare it to be a horse, your opinion would not count.

Exactly. And NO competent authority has declared that obama is a natural born citizen.

Only the Courts can now declare Obama to be ineligible. Since he was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the United States, the Courts must hold that he is elibible until someone can bring a case and present evidence that he is not. Every attempt thus far has failed because these bozo lawyers just want to stand in front of the courthouse with their trick pony.

Also exactly. Perhaps this will force them to finally do thier jobs and determine if he is eligible or not.

I think part of the problem is that we have never had a usurper before. The first time dealing with any Constitutional crisis is always the hardest

156 posted on 04/15/2010 6:52:22 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
ALL orders issued by anyone in the military derive from the Constitutional authority invested in the president as the c-in-c. If the president is not lawful (and the current (p)resident is not) then no orders are lawful.

The current President is lawful, beyond doubt. And he will remain so until some Constitutional challenge is heard and ruled upon. A bunch of Freepers, birthers, Shriners, or Rotarians clammering that he is not doesn't count, even if they are right.

157 posted on 04/15/2010 7:54:50 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
The current President is lawful, beyond doubt. And he will remain so until some Constitutional challenge is heard and ruled upon

And this is where we disagree. EVERY president prior to this was KNOWN to have been eligible to serve in that office (their birth records etc were published and/or easily available etc). This (p)resident is NOT KNOWN to be eligible. Until he proves his eligibility he is not lawful.

158 posted on 04/15/2010 8:53:24 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Smokeyblue

If Obammy had a legitimate, Hawaiian, long-form birth certificate signed by the delivering doctor - he would have released it a long time ago. Until he does so, I’m convinced he is an impostor.

The Constitution requires him to be born here in the America, but the framers didn’t designate anyone to enforce these statutes. Because a majority of Congress is corrupt, they will not enforce this issue either.

I believe this issue will have to be dealt with by the states. I’ve heard that several states have proposed legislation requiring Presidential winners to provide proof of their Constitutional eligibility to serve before certifying state election results.

May God bless Lt. Col. Lakin for his courageous stand.


159 posted on 04/15/2010 9:20:24 AM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: John O

Actually no. Chester A. Arthur was born in Canada and disguised that fact. And Obama certified that he was eligible in order to get on the ballot in all the states. So he is legit, until someone successfully challenges his assertion.


160 posted on 04/15/2010 10:42:10 AM PDT by centurion316
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