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Scientists Back Off of Ardi Claims (Evos give climate-hoaxers a run for their money...LOL!)
ICR News ^ | December 4, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 12/04/2009 8:07:39 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

In May 2009, a remarkably well-preserved extinct primate, nicknamed “Ida,” was hailed as one of the most important fossil finds ever. It had features that some interpreted as a link between two primate body forms. At the time, ICR News suggested that its evolutionary significance was far overblown, predicting that the scientific consensus would offer retractions. Those retractions came three months later, confirming that the fossil―called Darwinius―was really just an extinct lemur variety...

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To: betty boop
But of course, this is a stock tactic with people who don't have a clue how to engage in a rational debate. It's the classic Spitwad Gambit.

Then count it as a win, dearest sister in Christ!

581 posted on 12/05/2009 9:00:33 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop

[[The only responsive way to answer it would have been to give an example of GGG “attacking”.... Instead, he changed the subject.]]

I’m shocked- Shocked I say- doesn’t sound liek CW at all lol- and be careful- you might get labelled as ‘worshipping the bible’ if you make mention of the bible as God’s word lol


582 posted on 12/05/2009 9:06:41 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: tacticalogic

your reply shows you ignorance of the care and serious duty the transcribers took with God’s word- why don’t you check into how seriously and carefully and painstakingly the transcribers did their duty- you might be quite surprised to learn that the bible isn’t as ‘error riddled’ as you folks liek to pretend it is, and those scant few translation errors that occured later on were insignificant to the bible and God’s messages and key concepts as a whole- Once again, you show you have very little amunition to argue with, and have to resort to fallign on your own sword with silly arguments which do nothign to undermine the FACT that God’s word is God’s word- There are NO serious ‘misinterpretations’ regarding content in God’s word, and htose scant few insignificant errors do NOT change the meaning of God’s itnent as you and others would mislead others to beleive


583 posted on 12/05/2009 9:15:39 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Tramonto
Do you believe that God Intelligently Designed(ID) life?

Yes.

He made us in his image, gave us freewill and then turned us loose.

His grand design is to let us go as far as we can to conquer the universe He's made. As we increase our understanding of his design, we will survive to defeat death by age, learn to explore His universe for a decent spot to live as our solar system wears out, and learn to truly coexist with others for the benefit of all.

584 posted on 12/05/2009 9:21:52 AM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: CottShop
your reply shows you ignorance of the care and serious duty the transcribers took with God’s word-

Your comment showed an ignorance of the disparity of religious beliefs among the Founders, and an ignorance of political significance they placed on those beliefs. If you'd label Paine a "liberal" for his religious beliefs and yourself a "conservative" in a political context, what exactly are you supposed to be trying to "conserve"?

585 posted on 12/05/2009 9:33:43 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Will do, dearest sister in Christ! LOL!


586 posted on 12/05/2009 9:43:10 AM PST by betty boop (Without God man neither knows which way to go, nor even understands who he is. —Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: kanawa

I too will pray for you. The difference is, I will be praying that you start believing God’s creation account in Genesis—where creation, man’s fall and God’s plan for salvation are first revealed—whereas you will be praying that I stop believing the same.


587 posted on 12/05/2009 9:59:15 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: tacticalogic

[[Your comment showed an ignorance of the disparity of religious beliefs among the Founders, and an ignorance of political significance they placed on those beliefs.]]

Lol- I’m not theo ne displaying ignorance o n the issue here- you’re statement is blatantly false- and NOONE is sayign that every single foundign father and leader beleived exactly the same as al lthe others- of course there was soem diversity, however, as you wil find out IF you decide to actually display a bit of objectivity, and move beyond the typical erronious liberal talkign points, is that the WAS unanimity between a great many founders and leaders, and that God and lvoe for Him and r4espect for Him and askign for His blessings on htis nation, and turnign to him, was much much more prevelent than you typical ‘downplayers’ make it out to be

and what the heck are you doing goign fro mthe topic of the care Scribes who put God’s word into book form took to our founding fathers? Two seperate issues altogether- My statements and challenge to you stand- look into how seriously the scribes took their job, how dedicated and fearfully reverent they were when writing God’s word, and your ‘mistakes and errors’ argument falls flat on it’s face, and is nothign more than overblowing an irrelevent issue i nregards to how accurate and free from serious and significant error the bible has remained. As well, whenever there is any quesiton about some obscure and minor word, later Translators are careful to include possible menaings based o ncustoms, time periods as well as what they htought the word meant in accordance with hte context of the hwoel word- you’re ‘The bible is too full of error to be reliable’ argument is a false argument based on ignorance o nthe issue


588 posted on 12/05/2009 10:19:34 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
Lol- I’m not theo ne displaying ignorance o n the issue here- you’re statement is blatantly false- and NOONE is sayign that every single foundign father and leader beleived exactly the same as al lthe others- of course there was soem diversity, however, as you wil find out IF you decide to actually display a bit of objectivity, and move beyond the typical erronious liberal talkign points, is that the WAS unanimity between a great many founders and leaders, and that God and lvoe for Him and r4espect for Him and askign for His blessings on htis nation, and turnign to him, was much much more prevelent than you typical ‘downplayers’ make it out to be

You claimed that anyone who doesn't fall in line with your religious doctrines with regard to biblical inerrancy is a "liberal", and I slapped that idea down. Given the opportunity, I'll do it again.

589 posted on 12/05/2009 10:25:51 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

[[You claimed that anyone who doesn’t fall in line with your religious doctrines with regard to biblical inerrancy is a “liberal”, and I slapped that idea down.]]

You sdlapped nothig down- and now you’re whining about those who beleive in God’s word- I’ve infact ‘slapped down’ the liberal LIE that the word of God is nothign more than ‘good sayings written by mere man’ by giving you God’s word where He Himself tells us over and over again that His word was really and factually His word- and where those who wrote His words down cofnessed to hte fact that they were doiugn just that- writing His words down-

[[You claimed that anyone who doesn’t fall in line with your religious doctrines with regard to biblical inerrancy is a “liberal”,]]

And once again- you intentionally misrepresent me (apparently because your argment is so weak that you can’t make arguments based on truth)- I have never ever stated that ‘anyone who doesn’t beleive liek me is a liberal’ infact I’ve said many times here on FR that peopel who are TRUE beleivers can infact be confused about certain issues i nthe bible- however, liberals who don’t beleive God’s word is His word are ALWAYS confused and blind- and that is NOT to say all liberals are confused-

Again- you’re showing that you’ve got nothign more significant ot add to the argument than mere word play games and deceitful misrepresentations -so yeah- You keep ‘
slapping me down’- it’s revealign a lot about you- and hwat it’s revealing aint pretty- perhaps someday you’ll recognize that-


590 posted on 12/05/2009 10:37:46 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

That’s your opinion, and I’m giving it all the consideration it’s due based on your willingness to consider other people’s opinions.


591 posted on 12/05/2009 10:40:02 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

[[That’s your opinion, and I’m giving it all the consideration it’s due based on your willingness to consider other people’s opinions.]]

Here’s a tissue for you- and by the way- it’s not an ‘opinion’ when you refuse to beleive God- it’s a choice- and one that you and anyone that chooses to do so are never goign to reconcile with bible no matter how you complain about htose who do beleive God’s word is His word

Tell me something- do you even beleive the ten commandments were written by God’s own hand? Or do you doubt that too? Thinking it was a ‘good story’ written by fallible man? If you can’t even beleive God’s word is His word after He tells you it was over and over again, and after others in the bible told you it was over and over again- then you can’t claim to simply have a ‘difference of opinion’ about God’s word- and you can’t claim to beleive God’s word at all- it’s not God’s wrod you profess faith in, but your choice to disbeleive that you beleive in. So again, you’re not displlaying a ‘different beleif about God’s word’ but rather, you are prposing a wholly different beleif apart from God’s word, and expecting those hwo do beleive in God’s word to simpyl allow you and others the ‘right’ to ‘beleive alongside’ us depsite hte fact that you don’t bleeive His owrd is His word- so enough with the silly argument about how we’re supposedly intolorant of ‘other people’s beleifs in God’s word’- you aren;’t displaying belief in God’;s word at all- you’re simply displaying beleif that your disbeleif that God’s word is actually his word, is true


592 posted on 12/05/2009 10:51:13 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: tacticalogic

[[That’s your opinion, and I’m giving it all the consideration it’s due based on your willingness to consider other people’s opinions.]]

And you have a right to your beleif- just don’t expect that we’ll fall for your argument that it’s a Christian bleeif- and wear your beleif with some pride IF that’s the beleif you choose as your rock- and stop blaming everyone for not agreeign with you- show some temerity about your stand- at least you’ll have that to hold your chin up upon- Sonds to me like you’renot really secure in your chosen beleif if you have to keep complaining about how TRUE Christians are supposedly being bullies all the time by pointing out your mistakes lol- show some pride and simpyl saysoemthign like “We’ll just have to dissagree’ and stand by your conviction- man-up on the issue


593 posted on 12/05/2009 10:56:27 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

I’m as willing to “agree to disagree” as you are.


594 posted on 12/05/2009 11:14:32 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom; driftless2

It’s amazing that such a scientifically sound document as the bible would get the value of pi wrong. Don’t you agree?

On another note, I hope that my physician has studied Lev 17:10 - 12 as you have quoted. Surely nothing else on the subject can complement the wisdom and healing understanding therein contained.

One question, though—isn’t Leviticus the book that directs us to buy our slaves only in the nations near us?


595 posted on 12/05/2009 11:44:56 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: xcamel

“I’m guessing some serious pathological problem with this one.

Oh well... Another upstanding member of the “christian wrong” exposed.”

There you go again!

Silly NAME CALLING and patting yourself on the back when YOU have been exposed.

Are you sure you are on the right forum?

DU would LOVE YOU!

Your tactics are totally LIBERAL.

BTW, it is impossible for LIBERALS to tell the truth.

TRUTH scare LIBERALS.

TRUTH is the enemy of people like YOU.

You prove it every time YOU post.


596 posted on 12/05/2009 11:51:02 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GodGunsGuts
whereas you will be praying that I stop believing the same.

No, I will pray that you will be free of presumptuousness and hubris.

597 posted on 12/05/2009 11:54:46 AM PST by kanawa
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To: driftless2

My message that clearly applies to YOU:

Matt.7:6

[6] Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


598 posted on 12/05/2009 11:56:22 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Posted like a true cultist.


599 posted on 12/05/2009 12:25:11 PM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: tacticalogic

You beleive whateve4r you want, but liek I said- man up about it- the problem is that you’re simpyl not committed to your non beleif, and apaprently feel the need to gain the approval of htose who take God at His word, and I can only guess that it’s because, being insecure about your conviction, you wish to have one foot in two camps- As God sasid- He woudl rather we were either hot or cold- not lukewarm, and He wil l spew the lukewarm out of his heaven on judgement day- those straddlign hte fence, looking for approval in two camps are lukewarm- ?You want to be accepted by God’s peopel for beleivign whatever you like- whatever doesn’t conflict with your conscience, yet you als want to be accepted by the ‘progressives’ who liek to pretend they are ‘thinking for themselves’ by calling into questiuon God’s word- even goign so far as denyiong the basic premises of His word, and even dooubting Christ was God’s Son, and that He died o nthe cross and rose again for our sins. you’ve not committed yourself to either camp- and I’m afraid there’s no middle ground, as much as you and others woudl liek there to be on this issue- as per God’s wrod (which again, you and others doubt- so you don’t feel obligated to listen to His directions on how to be true Christians. )

like I said- you can either accept the invitation, and enter the house, or you can stand on the outside, and complain abotu those on the inside, but at least stay out and close the door or enter through- but don’t pretend that straddlign the threshold makes your views right- God is pretty clear about that- and that’s not a ‘belief’ on my part- it’s th3e word of God- instructions from your creator- either listen or don’t- but commit one way or hte other- being lukeqwarm and uncommitted doesn’t sit well with God as He said.


600 posted on 12/05/2009 1:38:57 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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