Posted on 11/05/2009 12:18:55 PM PST by DCBryan1
Edited on 11/05/2009 2:37:55 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting spree at a Texas military base by what officials believe was possibly carried out by an Army officer.
The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.
The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.
The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn't sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.
She did? Well, that was indeed brave of her.
Well, seems I was dead wrong about a fedayeen type attack, just a lone gunman.
Now we will hear about the injustice of “Bush’s Wars” and how their contradictions in Hasan’s mind drove him over the edge.
But more seriously, as a shrink advising and treating soldiers in therapy, how many minds did he mess with?
Seems to me someone should be doing a correlation study between when he was posted at Walter Reed and perhaps even Colorado, the number of suicides and or murders, and how many, if any, Hasan dealt with in therapy or in a non official manner.
He apparently knows all the salient aspects of shrinkology, he could use it to heal or to really mess with soldiers heads.
And of course, the US Army, along with the other branches should be doing a fully theological/ideological/internet analysis of Muslims, political correctness and myopic sunglasses notwithstanding.
Individual Muslim soldiers will feel the full scrutiny of their comrades.
It is for them, those Muslim soldiers who truly have no sympathy for the jihadis that we should conduct such an intensive and thorough vetting process - trips to Pakistan, LOL! are a dead giveaway, chumming around with dubious imams is another, and tracking internet and social activity is paramount.
I agree with your comments. I do find myself understanding your point about trips to Pakistan, but what if a U.S. Citizen has family there?
This is part of the reason why Muslim immigration is so insidious. Sure not all Muslims are problematic, but how the hell do you tell which ones are before it’s too late.
Isn’t it time we block future Muslim immigration until its leadership swears off the jihadist mentality?
You're no Fool, and this ain't paradise.
I love your Page.
Keep the insights coming;-)
As one who listened to the entire live Reports from the Oklahoma City Bombing, I know that what was happening in real time is not what is in the record now.
>>what if a U.S. Citizen has family there?
Oh, I do know of some. One guy, a civilian computer consultant, a Pakistani by birth, naturalized US citizen, works for an Indian consulting outfit.
He’s been getting pretty thoroughly checked, particularly after short trips to Pakistan, from India or Europe and then back here.
I agree with your points about jihadis, but until we get rid of our political shackles, we are helpless.
IMO, the only country that deals with this has a large indigenous Muslim population, and while they are pampered in many ways there too, they have established some control.
They haven’t gotten rid of nutty imams, crazy jihadis and their friends, but they have scared them enough to keep them relatively quiet most of the time, Kashmir being an exception because of infiltration from Pakistan.
Professional Indian Muslims who visit here are often shocked by the revanchism and orthodoxy of their American counterparts.
I do have one “shocking” suggestion.
If a Muslim woman can wear a burka in public, then why can’t some guy or girl wear a white burka. We ban KKK type outfits with masks in public, why shouldn’t the same apply to Muslim women, wear it but show your face.
Yes, I’m weird.
It's our whole effin' media saturated culture that affects us all unless somebody like me warns us to take notice.
The good news to me is that Wretchard was on my ping list, and whether or not my mesage affected him, he seems to be agreeing with me. He is so much better at stringing words together. [words are his, emphasis is mine]
The real damage that this incident caused was to the fiction that these things don’t exist. Because despite the steady toll in far away places, nobody really believes a monster is real until he comes and sits down at your child’s birthday party and starts eating your daughter. Then it becomes real. And then the first reaction is isn’t surprise at the monster, who after all is only doing what monsters do. It’s one of anger at those who we’ve trusted; who’ve reassured us that the monster doesn’t exist. Who in fact hid away all of its tracks. What were they doing? On whose side are they on?The enemy can always be faced. It’s your friends you’ve got to watch out for. So here’s the question: does Hollywood do a movie on it? Does it become part of the national debate? Is it a discussable subject after all? Or do we just walk away with the idea that it couldn’t have happened because we’ve been told it’s impossible, or worse, that it’s all our fault?
What political correctness does is debase the coin of discourse. It drives all honest argument underground. We begin to assume that all discussions are conducted in code. Political correctness doesn’t make us trust each other; it creates presumption that lying is universal." -- commenting at #68 in his own thread stream at Belmont Club, "Fort Hood."
Then, later, responding to the fear that the US will generate not a US Grant in our moment of need, but a character like BNP leader Nick Griffin.
One of the reasons political correctness is so damaging is that it shuts everybody up. It creates inaction, and therefore prevents the implementation of small, relatively painless corrections until a huge head of steam is built up; like a boiler at 2,000 psi, just waiting to blow. It constipates every politician; turns public discourse into codespeak, creates a climate of suspicion, enables fruitcakes and in general turns the whole friggin political arena into a funny farm.Then you get your Nick Griffin, if we’re lucky, because Griffin doesn’t seem any too talented. If we’re unlucky we’ll get a handsome, smooth talking, spellbinding visionary who will build a new information superhighway, restore prosperity and create an invincible army. People used to ask: how could the German people be so stupid as to elect Adolf Hitler? Easy. He emerged from the bitter street battles with the Left, from the humiliation of what was once the strongest country in central Europe.
Both the extreme left and right are creatures of crisis. What may be different about America is three things: a federal structure in a vast country; a strong grassroots tradition and the 2nd Amendment. Blackshirts are going to have a harder time breaking windows everywhere except in the “gun free” zones. Each for its own reasons wants a showdown. Most people, they just want to sleep in a little longer on Saturday and maybe have a barbecue in the backyard. What I really dislike about the powertrip guys is they won’t even leave a bitty guy alone. Now that is low-down.
Get in the habit of correcting everyone who wants to call this anything other than outrageous. Outrageous that there are not better checks for nutjobs in the military. Outrageous that our military had to rely on civilian police to rescue them. Outrageous that at least 5% of the officials present were not at least CCWs if not open carry.
And a bunch of you on this ping have your own worthy list of outrages. DO NOT LET UP.
Somewhere, in the voluminous amount of info posted in the last 22 hours, I read that he had had "counseling" during his medical education with regard to his interaction with patients and medical colleagues.
This was due, as reported by some, to his proselytizing for Islam during his therapeutic sessions withe patients.
At Walter Reed, during a PTSD symposium, he gave a presentation in which he stated that those who would not convert to Islam should be beheaded.
Other doctors at the seminar conferenced in the hall, concerned, and agreed that it should be sent up the chain of command.
He should have been summarily dismissed from the Army immediately, and made to repay the costs of his free (but expensive to the taxpayers) medical education.
Yes, I’m weird.
Actually, at one time, before Halloween became an adult holiday, wearing a mask , i.e. "covering the face" was prohibited in many municipalities, due to the fact that that it interfered with identification by law enforcement should a crime be commited.
I am in complete agreement; as a citizen, I should be able to see the faces of those around me. This is what it means to be an American citizen or resident.
How many more times to say we’re trapped in our own self imposed shackles. Think of all the threads and posts from years ago.
And this, I’m sure you’ve seen it...
He said that Major Hasan said he was “happy” when a US soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment centre in Arkansas in June. An American convert to Islam was accused of the shootings.
Col Lee alleged that other officers had told him that Major Hasan had said “maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Time Square” in New York.
From the UKTelegraph.
And yet, nothing could be done.
Perhaps now, the PC scales will fall from our eyes, but judging by the media’s tone, AP, FoxCNNMSNBC, we’ll blame ourselves. Or Bush at the very least, lol.
Thanks for the comments. I will have to admit to being amazed what Imams can get away with in the United States. Talk of infidels in terms of blistering anyone who isn’t a Muslim should be suspect. Talk of radicalism, turning this nation into a Sharia nation should be suspect. Any talk of violence should be suspect. (this is supposed to be a melting pot, not a potters wheel)
If this is taking place, remove their ability to lead the group. Remove the tax breaks and refuse to recognize the organization as a church. If it’s a criminal organization label it as a gang and break it up. Set up statutes that make it a crime to incite from the pulpit and enforce it, or let them exit to the nation of their choice. We don’t need them.
Laws like this would have to be drafted very carefully, so other religious organizations couldn’t have their right to voice support for sound governance infringed.
It would be tough, but an essential precondition is for us to widely realize that certain Islamic schools of jurisprudence and theology, ironically the ones most popular in Saudi and Pakistan, our allies, are the worst ones out there.
There was a pithy quote from Thomas Jefferson in one of the books I’ve been reading (An Agent in Treason - Gen. James Wilkinson, by Andro Linklater.. Agent 13 in the Spanish Secret Service and CiC of the US Army during the early 19th Century!) about how we cannot allow our laws and freedoms to lead us into self destruction.
Threats to the Realm sometimes demand Transcendent Measures befitting the danger.
In other words, Free Speech and Religous Freedom should not mean letting people advocate destruction of the host country and hide behind religion to invoke exhortations of violence.
But, what the heck, we’ve banned smoking. Even that bit of Sharia compliance hasn’t bought us any points with the jihadis! ;>>
I'm just appalled to read MANY comments that "the poor guy" had been a psychiatrist at Walter Reed for "SIX LONG YEARS," like it was some type of punishment, as opposed to a six-figure, prestigious job.
Just where do people get the idea that psychiatrists are so sensitive and should be pampered or something?
Don't ALL shrinks generally spend at least six years at such a prestigious staff position???
What is outrageous to me is that our own soldiers are not trusted to carry a weapon on base. There I thought they were hired and trained to kill bad guys... Silly me.
What this situation has provided is a wonderful example of a place operating under the strictest gun controls STILL failing to prevent a gun-related crime. They have perimeter control. They have vehicle searches. They have locked and attended ammo lockers. They have regulations. They have police. They probably even have detection equipment.
It didn't work.
I was present on a list that you pinged to. I responded with my thoughts on your comments. I’m not trying to belittle your take on this. I am merely explaining my view of the subject you raised.
I have expressed my outrage at this event. That’s not going to change. The people most affected by the event are the people I will address my thoughts to, and keep in mind as I address this event.
From the moment this occurred, it became a human tragedy for the family, fellow military personnel, and their friends. I will identify the events that took place as a human tragedy, because this group of people are the ones I most want to identify with right now. This was a tragedy for them. It is a tragedy to me.
I remain outraged by the things you mentioned, that I should rightfully be outraged about. I support you there.
We shouldn’t waste our time arguing over this. You are entitled to your perspective and I am entitled to mine. This doesn’t change my mind about you. I still value your posts here and consider you to be a good guy. I even agree with your point of view to a point.
This event and the deficient policies that made it possible, are definitely outrageous. The event itself was also a human tragedy to the people my heart goes out to.
I don’t see my thoughts on this as trying to reduce the import of this violent act, or adhere to some PC mindset. I just think of the families first. Perhaps your mindset also takes them into consideration first. I can see how you could. I just see it somewhat different than you do.
Take care.
I had remembered reading this in the middle of the night and googled Hasan Obama transition team.
Carry_Okie, your comments are right on target. I think you touched all the bases I would have, and it was a pleasure to see them articulated so well.
Gun control cannot work in the real world, because it disarms the honest, and dismisses the fact that the dishonest will continue to arm. The end result is that the honest are sitting ducks to be eliminated.
Concealed carry should be universal.
If you’re not a knuckle dragging felon who has committed a violent act with or without a gun, you should be able to protect yourself and those around you.
Swarthy Guy, that’s a timely quote. It does stand to reason that it is right, at least IMO.
Thank you.
You’re welcome, I don’t have the book with me, but will try and find the quote and ping you..........
But well worth reading, a real dicey period in American history with love of mammon, country and power all conflicting. Related to L’Affaire Burr.
Thank you. That would be nice. I appreciate the additional mentioned info also.
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