Kenyan document ignites firestorm over authenticity (Let's Discuss Bomford HERE)

WND ^ | 8/4/09 | Staff

[pissant]

A document unveiled by a California attorney in her quest to determine President Obama's place of birth has been condemned as a forgery by critics who deride as nonsense the challenges that have been raised to the president based on the U.S. Constitution's demand that the Oval Office occupant be a "natural born" citizen.

But those on the other side, who would like to see the original documentation of Obama's birth place revealed, say there are factors that indicate the Kenyan birth document could be real.

WND reported when the document was submitted to a California court by California attorney Orly Taitz, who has managed several of the high-profile cases challenging Obama's eligibility to be president.

Then yesterday, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., raised the dispute to the floor of that august body, protesting in a speech added to the Congressional Record that the dispute was not worth one minute of time.

[truthfreedom]

I don’t mean to be rude, but have you noticed that both the Kenyan doc and the Bomford doc do in fact have the identical
book 44B and page 5573 ?

And your telling me you can’t recall whether or not any aussie birth doc ever mentioned a book and a page. That’s cool.

I would think that it’s pretty important.

Everyone pretty much agrees that either the Kenyan doc was copied off the Aussie doc or the Aussie doc was copied off the Kenyan doc.

And you’re saying that the Aussies might not even use a book page system?

Well. It’s pretty clear then that the Aussie doc was copied off the Kenyan doc.

(Unless those Aussie docs with book and page can be “found”)

[Plummz]

Do you have an account on ancestry.com?

[RubyR]

So much going on.. not sure if this was already caught:

From TexasDarlins blog:

on August 3, 2009 at 7:31 pm | Reply lev8mysoul I asked a british history buff I know if he could find out who the colonial registrar was for Mombasa in 1961. He called me up a few minutes ago and said “Sir Edward F. Lavender Source(s): Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library”

Interestingly also a Yahoo question by the same person(?)

Africa & Middle East > Kenya > Resolved Question Lev8myso... Member since: October 28, 2007 Total points: 9979 (Level 5) Add to My Contacts Block User Resolved QuestionShow me another » Who was British colonial registrar in Mombasa Kenya in 1961? I'm trying to find out the name of the registrar in Mombasa in 1961, who would have registered the births, marriages, etc. at that time.

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by larry Member since: August 03, 2009 Total points: 113 (Level 1) Add to My Contacts

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Best Answer - Chosen by Asker Sir Edward F. Lavender Source(s): Kenya Dominion Record 4667 Australian library 2 days ago

[GLDNGUN]

Have you not seen the newspaper articles from 1963 referring to the “republic of Kenya”?

[WVNan]

Ha, and I see it exactly the opposite. They had access to the Bomford site and tacked the document into it, then came forth saying “looky what we found.”

[shield]

Check this post out by BP2 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307512/posts?page=98#98

[little jeremiah]

It would seem that the courthouse people could be asked if, during the relevant time frame, these kinds of documents referenced a book with all those numbers? No personal details, just about the type of documents kept then.

[Mount Athos]

Have you not seen the newspaper articles from 1963 referring to the “republic of Kenya”?

Yes I have.

The NEVADA PALLADIUM TIMES, the famous world authority on international fairs and county fairs.

It's completely laughable that people rely on this as evidence of what the world called Kenya at the time. They ignore rafts of articles in the major papers that don't refer to them as a Republic, and cling like a drowning man to a passing account in the most obscure of newspapers.

There's also the little matter of the country proclaiming to the world in their official histories and accounts at the time, that they became a republic on Dec 12th 1964, exactly a year after independence. They even released 5 postage stamps to announce and celebrate their becoming a republic.

[Bigh4u2]

Ok..I’m out..

Nite all!

[Bobalu]

It is easy to make a fake embossed seal.

You need a document with a real embossed seal of the type you want to fake...then assemble the following or suitable substitutes.

Soft clay
JB Weld
hard rubber block
large bench vice

Best to get your impression from the rear of the document even though this involves a couple of extra steps...it results in a much sharper impression image on the document.

If you expose some types of paper to high humidity it lets you make the embossed stamp impression much quicker but the preferred way is to leave the mold/rubber block/paper in the vice for several days and slowly tighten the vice every few hours...this results in less paper damage.

The mold that you use to make the impression will leave forensic evidence on the paper unless you prepare the mold in a very clever way....no, I’m not going to describe it.

Oh, make certain the mold block is very flat on the rear side or the impression will suffer.

[pissant]

Wow. Bump and Ping.

[WVNan]

Gee man, don’t you have any family or friends in S.A.?

[naturalman1975]

I don’t mean to be rude, but have you noticed that both the Kenyan doc and the Bomford doc do in fact have the identical book 44B and page 5573 ?

Yes, I do.

And your telling me you can’t recall whether or not any aussie birth doc ever mentioned a book and a page. That’s cool.

Correct. I would think that it’s pretty important.

I agree.

Everyone pretty much agrees that either the Kenyan doc was copied off the Aussie doc or the Aussie doc was copied off the Kenyan doc.

I'm still seeing some debate about that, but, yes, that seems likely to me.

And you’re saying that the Aussies might not even use a book page system?

I don't believe the state of Victoria does. I haven't seen any evidence that the states of New South Wales or Queensland do.

This doesn't tell us much at all about what the state of South Australia does.

Australia is a federation of states which while united in a Commonwealth has a constitution that still reserves a great deal of individual powers to the individual states (including the registration of births, deaths, and marriages). You cannot assume in Australia that practices followed in some states are automatically followed in other states. We have different rules on drivers licences, different road rules, different school systems, different health systems - and different ways of doing things. And these differences were even more pronounced in the past. South Australia may well have used a book referencing system - I haven't seen evidence one way or the other.

Well. It’s pretty clear then that the Aussie doc was copied off the Kenyan doc.

So a birth certificate that looks similar to a number of other available Australian birth certificates (even if not totally identical) is in your view more likely to be Kenyan than Australian? Personally, if one of the two is faked, I think it's far more likely it's the Kenyan one than the Australian one - it looks like an Australian birth certificate.

If somebody can produce a Kenyan certificate that looks similar, my view on that would change.

[cynwoody]

they looked extremely similar to the Bomford one as best I can recall.

Did they include a book / page reference? Or is that mode of record storage specific to South Australia? Or do they all use book / page, but no longer cite in recently issued certs?

[pissant]

That does not preclude the idea that the Kenyan could still be a forgery. We’ll get to the bottom of it though.

[trueamerica]

Look at the FIRST line of the Bomford one. A mark from a photo editor from LEAD TECHNOLOGIES:

[naturalman1975]

The only friend I have in South Australia is not going to get involved in this (a former Cabinet Minister in the Howard government - he'd run screaming from this controversy). And he's not even a particularly close friend!

[trueamerica]

Look at the FIRST line of the Bomford one. A mark from a photo editor from LEAD TECHNOLOGIES:

[Mount Athos]

THey had to use scanning software right?

Maybe that’s where the lead technologies comes from.

[pissant]

Hmmmm. See post 203 also