Posted on 08/02/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by BP2
My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.
Here we go:
Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).
Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.
When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.
Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.
However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.
NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.
Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.
If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.
Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.
As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "converted" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” (long birth certificate) in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the famed “Certification of Live Birth” (short birth certificate on "Fight the Smears") we see today presented as "proof" of birth of Barack Hussein Obama II, reportedly in Hawaii (note: the abstract “Certification of Live Birth” certificate did not exist in Hawaii until November 2001).
I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.
It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.
Some are saying that Kenya did not become a Republic until 1964, while others are saying they were using “The Republic of Kenya” (in 1963) even before there was an official recognition from Britain (which happened in 1964.
No harm, no foul, I enjoyed the show he did have. :)
Cunningham DID just discuss this new BC a bit and directed listeners to WND’s website
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I have only found that in one internet item. But there is a lot out there. Certainly many more Kenyan docs for other things that happened in 63-64
Interesting. Thanks for the ping.
As I understand it, neither the Republic nor the Constitution became official until approval by the voting public in the May, 1964 election.
However, during the intervening months -- between Dominion status and official Republic status -- officialdom may well have employed forms imprinted with "Republic of Kenya".
Whether they actually did or not is subject to authentication -- which needs to be undertaken before we assume the validity of this document.
Please read the following about the "ten mile strip" of what is now "Coastal Province":
The Constitution of Kenya Review Commission - [Cached Version]
Published on: 9/1/2002
Views were divided as to whether the coastal strip should be treated as a single entity with Kenya Colony, or whether it should be handed back to the Sultan of Zanzibar or it be treated as an independent entity and declared Independent.
In a report submitted to the British Government and the Sultan of Zanzibar entitled ‘The Kenya Coastal Strip Ð Report by the Commissioner’ Mr. Robertson recommended that the coastal strip be incorporated into Kenya before self government and independence subject to certain safeguards being given to the coastal people which should be entrenched in the constitution.
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Robertson further recommended that the British Government abrogate the 1895 Agreement with the Sultan of Zanzibar and that another Agreement be made between the Government of Kenya and the Sultan of Zanzibar whereby the Sultan of Zanzibar will surrender his Sovereignty claims over the Coastal strip in consideration of the Kenya Government undertaking to respect and safeguarding inter alia the maintenance of the Sharia Law for Muslims and the retention of the Kadhi’s Courts.
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On the 5th October 1963, the said Agreement was actually executed in the form of an exchange of letters between the Prime Ministers of Kenya and Zanzibar Messrs Jomo Kenyatta and M. Shamte respectively.
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That Kadhis’ work should be restricted to judicial work and Muslims to elect their own Islamic/spiritual leader (mufti) who will be their official spokesman and an advisor to the government on issues affecting Muslims in Kenya.
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Muslim personal law on marriage, divorce, inheritance and succession is not codified into legislation in Kenya. It is left to the Kadhi’s in their different courts to interpret the law as they understand it.There are no reports of the Kadhi’s Court's decisions - hence this has hampered the growth of Islamic Law jurisprudence in Kenya.
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Muslims are mainly of two sects in Kenya - the Sunni and Shia.Majority of the Muslims in Kenya are Sunni Muslims but there is a significant population of Shia Muslims too and consideration ought to be given to the appointment of Kadhis of the Shia Sect to cater the interest of the Shia Muslims.
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Under Section 66 of the constitution as read with the provisions of the legislations passed pursuant to that Section, Islamic Law is clearly recognised as a source of the Laws of Kenya in as far as matters pertaining to marriage, divorce and inheritance for the Muslims is concerned.The Kadhi’s Court's and the High Court must apply the Muslim Personal Law in dealing with Muslim personal matters. However, Section 3 of the Judicature Act, Chapter 8, Laws of Kenya which lists the sources of the Laws of Kenya and provides for the Jurisdiction of the various Courts in Kenya, does not include Muslim personal law as one of the sources of the Laws of Kenya subject to limitation as to the scope of application.The result has been that Institutions of higher learning in Kenya that teach law to students do not include Islamic Law in their curriculum or courses.Consequently, when lawyers get admitted to the bar in Kenya as advocates with the right of audience before all Courts, they find it difficult to effectively represent clients in the Kadhi’s Court's especially if they are not Muslims and have not studied Islamic Law. It is therefore necessary to recognize Islamic Law as one of the sources of the law in Kenya and for the same to be taught at universities and in the Kenya School of Law.
and MY personal favorites:
... "recommended that the coastal strip be incorporated into Kenya before self government and independence subject to certain safeguards being given to the coastal people which should be entrenched in the constitution" ...
... "Agreement was actually executed in the form of an exchange of letters" ...
It appears the "Ten-Mile Strip" (where Obama's possible place of birth is located) was separate and seemingly sovereign from the county that WOULD eventually BECOME the "Republic of Kenya" -- at least for a short while in 1963 and 1964.
* I wonder what they might have called themselves in the interim, to ensure they wouldn't be annexed by Zanzibar, you know, BEFORE the whole of Kenya became a Republic on Dec. 12, 1964? *
There is a third option: temporary forms of an intervening temporary entity--whatever it was (neither Dominion nor Republic). This makes the least sense practically, because it's arguably needlessly expensive to make and stock forms that will only be used for one year. And what would the intervening entity be called, anyway?
Logically and practically, it makes most sense for Kenya bureaucrats to have been using the new Republic of Kenya forms in February 1964 inasmuch as the Dominion was dead and gone and the Republic was a "done deal" just waiting to be fully implemented.
Sure, I agree. But that is a matter which can be readily authenticated.
All we can do is speculate...until such authentication is actually conducted.
More likely to distract us from what Obama, Reid and Pelosi are trying to do.
This information needs to be spread far and wide. EVERYONE needs to know about this!
On February 17, 1964 the formal title of the country was the “Dominion of Kenya”. It became the “Republic of Kenya” on December 12, 1964, about 10 months later.
Wrong.
MADARAKA DAY and Barack Obama's COLB
Like BP2 said, I'm not speaking of the authencity of the picture of the COLB; I don't know if it is real or not. But, I do know your dates are wrong.
Madaraka Day - June 1, 1963:
Jamuhuri (Republic) Day - December 12, 1963:
December 12th 1963 (Jamuhuri or Republic Day), Kenya attained independent dominion status within the British Commonwealth under a constitution that was negotiated and agreed at three multi-party Constitutional Conferences held in London and Nairobi between 1961 and 1963.
Exactly a year later, on December 12, 1964, Kenya became a republic and the last British governor in Kenya departed, leaving Kenyatta to steer the country as its first president. Indeed Kenya was now a free country having severed a colonial ties and becoming a republic answerable to no one else but its people.
You are overlooking Madaraka Day - June 1, 1963 and Jamuhuri (Republic) Day - December 12, 1963
You are absolutely the best.
Your deductive reasoning skills are impeccable.
Great work.
Madaraka Day - June 1, 1963:
- Kenya was given sovereignty over their political affairs and their resources
- Kenya was given a Bill of Rights to be enforced by an independent judiciary
- Kenya created a democratic Nation by rule of law
Jamuhuri (Republic) Day - December 12, 1963:
December 12th 1963 (Jamuhuri or Republic Day), Kenya attained independent dominion status within the British Commonwealth under a constitution that was negotiated and agreed at three multi-party Constitutional Conferences held in London and Nairobi between 1961 and 1963.
December 12, 1964, Kenya became a republic and the last British governor in Kenya departed, leaving Kenyatta to steer the country as its first president.
Kenya’s independence day is Madaraka Day, June 1, 1963.
>>> it was not a republic until december 1964, a full year later.
Then what is their National Holiday, Jamuhuri Day - December 12, 1963?
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