Posted on 08/02/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by BP2
My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.
Here we go:
Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).
Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.
When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.
Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.
However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.
NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.
Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.
If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.
Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.
As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "converted" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” (long birth certificate) in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the famed “Certification of Live Birth” (short birth certificate on "Fight the Smears") we see today presented as "proof" of birth of Barack Hussein Obama II, reportedly in Hawaii (note: the abstract “Certification of Live Birth” certificate did not exist in Hawaii until November 2001).
I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.
It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.
Nice work.
A simple question:
Everybody is stating that O’s father had a wife back in Kenya.
Were they legally married according to Kenyan law?
If they were, then Ann’s and O’s father’s “marriage” was NOT legal in the U.S. of A. Hence, the divorce was just an act since the marriage was not legal to begin with.
Any comments please?
Thank you.
I’m still a little confused. Has the wording of this document regarding the status and name of Kenya been debunked? or still a tossup?
It only shows that no matter how hard an organization has worked to conceal facts there is always the truth stashed away somewhere that has been filed away.
Even though Kenya may have their end of the records under tight security up in Britain its probably available for the asking.
And Orly is on her way to England.
Very important point, although I think it wants further digging. A ton of people have picked up that argument about "Republic" and are saying it's a fake. But they seem to be going by possibly unreliable sources rather than primary documents.
Elections were then held in May 1963, pitting Kenyatta’s KANU (Kenya African National Union- which advocated for Kenya to be a unitary state) against KADU (Kenya African Democratic Union- which advocated for Kenya to be an ethnic-federal state). KANU beat KADU by winning 83 seats out of 124. On June 1 1963, Kenyatta became prime minister of the autonomous Kenyan government, with the Queen of England through a governor remaining head of state. He consistently asked white settlers not to leave Kenya and supported reconciliation.
Kenyatta retained the role of prime minister after independence was declared on December 12, 1963.
On June 1, 1964, Kenyatta became President when he successfully had Parliament amend the Constitution to make Kenya a republic with his office becoming executive President: the head of State, head of Government, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
He thereafter ruled Kenya as African leaders of his time did, as an unchallenged chieftain
Such a forgery wouldn't fool intensive forensic analysis. It's one thing to get a 48 year old printer, it's another to come up with 48 year old paper, and 48 year old ink. Even if you managed to do that, and get it to all go together properly, it would be possible to determine that the ink had been applied to the paper recently, rather than 48 years ago.
Would you think that some kind of birth document from Kenya - either the one posted today or a similar one - would be part of the Hawaii divorce case file?
We need to find the Registrar, E.F. Lavender!!
“On June 1, 1964, Kenyatta became President when he successfully had Parliament amend the Constitution to make Kenya a republic with his office becoming executive President: the head of State, head of Government, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.”
Then it is a forgery.
Most excellent work.
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Dang, this Republic thing is going to ruin all the fun, unless someone turns up another circa Dec 1963-Dec 1964 Kenyan document calling it the Republic of Kenya.
Google thinks her site has cooties. And it apparently does. I think I saw someone complain that it tried to download an exploit into Adobe Reader.
However, the word “representative” comes up 9 times. And in the “Arragement of Sections” in the fromt it references the “Composition of House of Representatives”
To file for a divorce the parties have to be identified, to obtain custody, a child needs to be identified.
The FOI request resulted in seven pages, numbered one to 12.
Thanks for your hard work, BP2. There is strength in numbers and in talent here at FR. Most of all, there is strength in patriotic allegiance and love of country. I know that many are giving up personal time and energy to investigate the eligibility issue and I am grateful to them all.
Thanks. Great work.
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