Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link

orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

[rxsid]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)

[Salamander]

There’s one a Spanish site.

No contact info available.

Oh well.

[David]

Yes, I noticed the discrepancy in dates. The baby sitter said they were “night” classes — presumably because that’s when she baby sat little Barry. But, she also says it was in January and February of 1962. She does not corraborate the rocord for August, 1961. I think 1961 was when Ann was staying with her mother’s friend — before she’d moved into the 3 apartment house managed by Toutonghi. And Toutonghi says that she moved into her own house that she and her husband purchased at the end of Feb. 1962 and her relationship with Ann Dunham ended. The UW records that I have seen either are too dim to read, or they don’t mention Aug. 1961. In any case, that class didn’t start until the end of Sept. 1961. Where was Ann Obama staying during that month? Aug-Sept, 1961.

I view the timeline for August, 1961 as critical to an understanding of the events of the birth period.

My hypothesis for what happened is that Stanley Ann and Obama Sr. went to Kenya at the end of first term classes at U of Hawaii (late January early February 1961) and were married there on February 4, 1961 as she says in her divorce affidavit. They did that because to have married in Hawaii would have constituted the crime of bigamy.

He returned to Hawaii immediately and attended classes winter spring term in 1961 and his attendance is confirmed. The reason she disappears from the record on February 4 is because she stayed in Kenya.

She attempted to return in July but was refused transport by BOAC per the witnesses. The baby was born, presumably on August 4 early in the day (still August 3 on the West Coast USA); as soon as possible, she was on a BOAC flight to return.

Copies of the actual physical BOAC flight schedules for August 1961 are posted early on the long thread and read in conjunction with the connecting flight from Mombasa to Nairobi, identify the actual flights she took to connect at Nairobi to a BOAC flight through Glaskow, Scotland and Vancouver British Columbia which is why she told some of her friends in Seattle that she had come from Vancouver.

That doesn't exclude the possibility that he was born earlier than August 4 but I don't think that is likely or necessary to meet my August 8 timeline.

I see the Susan Blake and other visits in August as having taken place on August 5 & 6 & 7 with Stanley Ann having returned to Hawaii on a flight that left Seattle about 3:00 PM on the 7th; with her having made some kind of birth filing in Hawaii on the 8th.

Now I recognize that as a tight line; yes I have heard all the whining about mothers staying in the hospital for a week; about the problems hauling a newborn halfway around the world; but in my experience I have seen stuff like this all the time. Grandma could have done the affidavit filing on August 8 in Hawaii herself but I just don't believe she would have done it that way.

I suppose it is also not fatal to my hypothesis to have had her in class on August 19 at the University of Washington but that didn't happen either. The campus was dead as a doornail from the end of summer quarter in early August until sometime in late September.

[afraidfortherepublic]

The campus was dead as a doornail from the end of summer quarter in early August until sometime in late September.

Having lived in the Seattle area and had a son go to school there (although 2 decades later) I can attest to that as the normal pattern for UW. The same would have been true for UC Berkeley (where I was during the same time period Ann was in Seattle) or any West Coast school on the SEMESTER system. Not much going on -- even the sorority and fraternity houses are locked up.

[Jedidah]

Barry’s “cousin” lost the election. True, his thugs wield some power as criminals and disruptors, but he’s not technically in charge.

[WhiskeyX]

No, Bruce Lee can never have been eligible for the Office of the President. You have have been duped like so many ohter people by the false propaganda of some ignorant Conservative pundits, Democrats, and the Obama Administration.

The Constitution’s requirement for a “natural born citizen” of the United States is not and cannot ever be synonymous with the less restrictive qualifications for a “citizen” of the United States. No person who is a natural born citizen of a foreign sovereign and government with allegiance thereto can ever be eligible to the Office of the President. Any person whose parent is a citizen of and owes allegiance to a foreign sovereign and government and thereby covneys the same foreign citizenship and allegiance to the foreign sovereign and government for the child can never said to be a natural born citizen with allegiance only to the sovereign United States of America as required by the Constitution and Founding Fathers.

[afraidfortherepublic]

yes I have heard all the whining about mothers staying in the hospital for a week; about the problems hauling a newborn halfway around the world;

Didn't mean to whine. The part about staying in the hospital for a week was true in this country, but it was only meant to illustrate that sometimes the mother did not have the opportunity to practice the art of DIAPERING! And despite my complaining (I was a big wuss at motherhood) my husband and I drove our firstborn all the way from Illinois back to CA at 4 weeks, dragging a U Haul larger than the car and stopping only once in ARK for a brief respite with one of his relatives. Then we had to look for a house to rent, etc., etc. It was grueling, but we did it.

My aunt (all by herself) hauled 3 kids in a little coupe, including a premature newborn in a basket all the way from Mississippi to San Francisco to join her husband for deployment to Japan for the Occupation at the end of WWII. My mother thought she was crazy, but she did it and all survived.

Of course, neither of those tales compares to the Chinese women in Pearl Buck's "The Good Earth" who delivered their babies in the fields and went right back to work. (rolling eyes)

[afraidfortherepublic]

That last comment of mine was meant to be lighthearted joking. I hope you took it in that vein. I appreciate all your comments and all the work you have done to figure thise out. Thanks.

[m4629]

Marriage was likely in Hawaii to Lolo and Barry was adopted in Hawaii.

You could be right. I have no idea where the marriage or adoption took place, but that was not my contention.

My contention is that marriage probably took place, somewhere, and adoption definitely took place. In light of this, the Indonesian government had to have at least viewed these documents or even made copies of such, in which case it might be retrieved somehow beyond Barry's influence.

[David]

Indeed, perhaps Stanley Ann and Barack had a Kenyan marriage cert and that is the missing page form the court filings on divorce. If they were married in Kenya, would that establish dual cit for Stanley Ann? How would that effect birth of the baby in Kenya, or in Hawaii, or in Canada? Would the grandmother have wanted the child to have AMerican citizenship so she registered him as HAwaiian born or born to an Hawaiian resident? I would still like to see legal documents that show when Barry Soetoro had a court change his name to Barack Hussein Obama. I believe he's an illegal alien, legally/illegally.

I do not know what the citizenship implications of a marriage in Kenya would be to Stanley Ann. Or how that might have resulted in deficiencies in the Hawaii birth record.

The marriage in Kenya thesis explains a number of the gaps in the record and makes obvious sense because of the bigamy implications. Of course the possibility exists that the marriage actually happened in Hawaii and they have scrubbed the record but I do not now see why they would have done that. I think the most obvious explanation for the absence of a marriage record in Hawaii is because it didn't happen there.

I believe that it did not occur to the investigators who went over there looking for evidence in early 2008 marriage documents in Kenya would be relevant so they didn't look for them.

The significance of the marriage is that there is a citizenship statute of questionable validity that would improve his citizenship at birth argument if they weren't married. I think that the record in the divorce proceeding alone is sufficient to make them married for purposes of the citizenship statute and so I have quit thinking about the marriage as a substantive issue.

Significance of the marriage in Kenya is that it contributes to the timeline and puts her in Kenya in 1961 with no record of her having returned and no record of her having been anywhere else between February 1961 and August 1961.

I have generally ignored the implications of his citizenship adventure in Indonesia and the name issue and the foreign student issue at Occidental. In theory, those things make a legal difference. In the real world, if Obama proves he was born anywhere in the US, even Hawaii, he probably wins.

[Lurking Libertarian]

You just made a false statement or was that your poor grammar? You wrote- “The judge has already thrown out Orly’s motion. (Not on the merits, but simply because Orly is too incompetent to even file a motion in federal court correctly.)”

What did I say that was false? The judge "threw out" Orly's motion-- he ordered it stricken from the court record-- not because he ruled on the merits of the birth certificate, but because Orly made a number of very basic mistakes in the procedure for filing a motion in federal court.

[Lurking Libertarian]

I see ... I thought it was in Carter’s court .. but it’s not.

It is in Carter's court-- see the initials "DOC" in the docket number? (For David O. Carter.)This ruling, because it was on a discovery motion, was not by Carter but by the Magistrate Judge assigned to tassist carter with the case.

[null and void]

I hardly think that 0 can be called the “king of peace” (vs. 2).

Wanna side bet that by the end of the year he'll be called the "President of Peace"?

Calling a a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg...

[MHGinTN]

Come on, David, he's already won on the strength of his lies since the pirate Roberts swore him in without proof of eligibility, TWICE! By his own words, he doesn't fit what the founders meant witht he eligibility requirements for president. The subpreme court entertained him in chambers despite there being cases pending decision to be placed on the docket. The fix was signaled for all to see, like an 'in your face, stupid American subjects.'

The judiciary is avoiding anything which might have a contrary story surface, so the extortion factor has worked as planned.

This lying anti-American affirmative action bastard has already won, and now he and his democrat criminal enterprise party are sweepng away the remnants of the Old Republic, right before our eyes.

[GregNH]

I like the explanation of “If your citizenship is dependent on a law then you are not a NBC”

[BP2]

BEFORE the Digital Computer Age

United States. Congress. Senate. Committee on the Judiciary.
Communist Forgeries: Hearing before the Subcommittee to Investigate the Administration of the Internal Security Act and Other Internal Security Laws of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate: Testimony of Richard Helms, Assistant Director, Central Intelligence Agency, June 2, 1961. Washington: United States Government Printing Office, 1961.

This testimony by the future Director of the Central Intelligence Agency attempts to demonstrate that the Soviet government was actively involved in a massive program of documentary fraud in which it produced thousands of forged intelligence reports, news articles, and documents.

Hofmann's Confession.Salt Lake City: Utah Lighthouse Ministry, [1987]. Three volumes. [Compiled by] and with an Introduction by Jerald and Sandra Tanner.

The Mark Hofmann forgery and murder case was one of the most sensational of the twentieth century. Hofmann's forgeries of the Oath of a Freeman, Mormon documents, and other manuscripts and printed documents were among the most sophisticated ever produced. Hofmann's Confession contains the complete transcripts of the Salt Lake Country prosecutors' interviews with Mark Hofmann.

Texfake: an Account of the Theft and Forgery of Early Texas Printed Documents, with an Introduction by Larry McMurtry. Austin: W. Thomas Taylor, 1991.

During the course of research on early nineteenth century Texas imprints, the bookseller and fine press publisher W. Thomas Taylor discovered a number of forged documents. His research led to the discovery of a systematic effort by several individuals to forge important Texas historical documents. Eventually nearly sixty forgeries were discovered, including some of the most important documents in Texas history.

IN the Digital Computer Age

Draw your own conclusions.

The FACT remains that Obama still refuses to release his original birth certificate. The prima facie facts and dates surrounding the 1964 Obama divorce and the Kenyan birth certificate are still more plausible than what he's shown us thus far.

[afraidfortherepublic]

This lying anti-American affirmative action bastard has already won, and now he and his democrat criminal enterprise party are sweepng away the remnants of the Old Republic, right before our eyes.

Well, now I'm going away for a little while and cry. Those are very serious words, and I believe every one of them.

[STARWISE]

Thank you.

Where is that connection to Judge Carter shown ?
He has another judge assisting him on this case ?

[little jeremiah]

Did you see this comment by Author2? I am not familiar with this poster.

[hoosiermama]

Top left word is “maiden” as in Maiden name. Fr mail in a while.

[Jedidah]

Yes. As has been pointed out early on, the “punked” copy says “Maieen.” Either the forger didn’t know how to spell or doesn’t know what a maiden name is.