Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
UPI is doing BO’s work. Have encourage PA to send his daughter’s research to them.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2308419/posts?page
David has an interesting post here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=6542#6542
Louisville is flooded as are we with several barns down in the community....Rain, hail,and wind, oh my.
When the divorce paper were published, several pages were missing. It is probable that the document that Orley has is one of those missing papers. It has been explained repeatedly on this and other threads, that judges require such documents under certain circumstances....Those circumstances were present in this divorce case. For 45 years it’s been in a file cabinet.
Well..., it is a very puzzling thing when posters here say that they want to see the birth certificate — and yet — those very same posters don’t want to work for a state law...
I think it’s because that many are ignoring the *cause* of why people here don’t have the birth certificate. The reason why is that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to show their birth certificate. That’s why over a year of court cases have gotten nowhere. That’s why all the posting and everything (news shows, articles, radio programs, TV programs, etc. and etc.) have gotten nowhere in terms of producing the birth certificate.
It seems that a very large majority of the posters on the birth certificate issue *miss* the fact that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to produce their birth certificate.
NOW..., I figure *once* these people figure out the *reason* for why they can’t get the birth certificate — it only follows naturally that all one has to do is get a state law that makes it a *legal requirement* for a candidate to show his birth certificate or else he cannot be on the ballot.
HOWEVER, I see that many prefer to post about it and never do anything about it — like get that state law going.
Already there are the states of Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Arizona who have started this process. I can’t speak to Texas, Missouri and Arizona, so others are going to have to say something here about those states. But, I can say that in Oklahoma, it was placed as a House Bill, got out of Committee, passed the House, went to the Senate and was killed in the Senate. So, we’re going to go at it again, next session.
Now, once that’s in place for 2012, then a candidate cannot be placed on the ballot in that state — unless — they show their birth certificate — a perfect solution to the problem... :-)
(1) I’m going to go by the official Hawaii pronouncement, unless something solid comes up (in a court of law) that disproves it.
(2) Since everyone wants to see the birth certificate, I’m going to continue to work for enacting a state law for that purpose (Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Azrizona already working on it).
(3) The issue of natural born, as far as parents and their citizenship, I’m going to let the Supreme Court decide on it and I’ll take their decision.
That’s where it boils down for me right now...
Great why dont you quit mucking up the threads with your broken record and work on getting the states to adopt laws concerning eligibility., Start your own thread and pos what the status is of each state and post their proposed legislation so people can be aware of your efforts and how they can help. Running around here is accomplishing nothing unless you think its funny for a dog to chase its own tail. Right here we are not trying to change laws, but investigate.
Did you know the typical white woman was a spunky red head who kept her nails brightly painted?
Do you have the caption for that picture?
Why would Stanley be in a group greeting
Obama Sr ? Is it a church or commie or
state agency group? So he knew Sr BEFORE
his daughter met him ?
Already working on it. It was put through as a bill in the Oklahoma House, got out of committee and then passed by the House and then killed in the Senate. It’s going to go in again next session and to do that, we just have to wait for the next session...
But in order to get support for it in several different states, it takes a lot of posting on the different threads, which deal with the issue of “getting the birth certificate”...
It seems that many don’t know that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to produce their birth certificate. Once someone knows that — then — it’s *natural* that anyone would work for such a state law — because that’s the *only way* that anyone is going to have a candidate *legally required* to produce their birth certificate.
I just had someone who had only heard about this for the *first time* a few days ago. And I’ve been posting about this issue since after the election. But, they only heard about it just now.
And so, we basically need *everyone* who “wants to see the birth certificate” — get on board and work for the state legislation to be enacted before the next election.
That’s the goal... can I put you down for your state? I’m organizing some lists of people so we can work in the various states...
OK .. disregard my last, except if Dunham
actually knew SR before his daughter did.
Which one is Abercrombie .. the scrawny
kid to Dunham’s left ?
Cannot find my reference again. I lose by default!
You are fundamentally misreading the phrasing of the Constitution.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution.....
can be read as:
No person except a natural born Citizen, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution.....
and or:
No person except a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution.....
In other words by your logic it is impossible for ANYONE to be a citizen of the US unless they were alive when the Constitution was written.
The proper reading of the clause as written is that there are two cases, two classes of citizens eligible for run for President. This does not include naturalized citizens. Think about it: Previous to the creation of the United States no one was a Citizen of the United States. Everyone was in effect British Citizens. Then one day everyone became citizens. There was no distinction AT THAT TIME between folks born in the US and folks residing in the newly establish US. No place in the Constitution were some rights given to people who had been born say in Maryland prior to the creation of the US and not given to someone who was born in London in say 1740 but who moved to Maryland in 1760.
“Yes, you can argue that Barry is not a natural born citizen, but you do not have to be a natural born citizen to qualify for POTUS.” Is English not your first language? ... If Barry is old enough to have been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, then he fits the other category. Otherwise, he must be natural born. Now peddle your trike somewhere else.
I have read bits and pieces of it, will get around to the rest after this flap is over, thanks.
It would be really good to nail that down....not sure how we do it.
Response:"For 45 years it’s been in a file cabinet."
My response: Thank you hoosiermama. After 6,600+ comments we now have the first minimum discussion on the origin of the docs. But, that would be a file cabinet with controlled access such as a government or lawyers file cabinet.
Whose?? Where?? When??
It's good to get the real issue started but the finders of these docs need to come clean if they want any credibility.
ROFL....
Been there done that...
Now I am using Subway Foot Longs....and it's four days.
Interesting ... is the birth certificate
that Taitz has in her filing been proven
real or fake yet ?
That weather .. saw it sweeping across ..
looked bad. You have flooding ?
I’d bet my lunch on it.
natural born means born on US soil. People who acquire citizenship by reason of birth circumstances are citizens eligible to run for President, even if they are not natural born on US Soil. To wit, John McCain. Therefore if Barry were born in Kenya of two US Citizens he would not be a natural born citizen but would be eligible for POTUS.
If he were born on US Soil of a US citizen then he is eligible to be a natural born citizen period. The nonsense about the mother needing to be in residence for so many years and 21 is ridiculous in the extreme. Children born on US soil of a natural born US citizen, regardless of the age of the mother are natural born citizens.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9694026/Obama-64-Divorce-Decree-Plains-Radio
we’ve seen 8 pages of twelve (numbered by hand) the rest have to be ID documents. How could anyone gain custody of a child without supplying some kind of birth document? Or get a divorce without (at least a dummy marriage certificate) and some ID for the parties themselves?
As for WHERE they were for 45 years...try the court or lawyer ARCHIVES.
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